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Post by Inferno Rodan on Aug 4, 2008 20:51:30 GMT -5
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Post by yaburu on Aug 5, 2008 11:40:11 GMT -5
Shroom's primary attacks are his vines and acidic spores. The vines Nuvi doesn't need to worry about...to much. They can constrict and bind him, and that'll pose a problem, at least until he can use an energy blast to destroy them.
As for the acidic spores, they'll eat away at his shell and force him to constantly close up holes/reform, which will take their toll. But I think watching a creature not be killed by so many spores will frustrate Shroom. He won't know what to do. And then there's Nuvi's weapons. He can create all sorts of things to cut Shroom into pieces, and once he discovers that blunt objects like sledgehammers and such aren't really going to work, he'll more then likely start using edged weapons like nobody's business.
Shroom will put up a good fight and cause Nuvi to deplete his energy reserves, but in the end, Nuvi will take this.
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Post by THE GODZILLA on Aug 5, 2008 18:15:49 GMT -5
Actually, I think Shroom is perfectly equipped to take out Nuvi. You even said in the bio that to beat Nuvi, you need to wear him out. And that's exactly what Shroom's fighting style and abilities are based around.
Shroom is going to be constantly attempting to root Nuvi to halt his advances and movement. In addition, he's gonna be sporing up Nuvi, which will take it's toll heavily on the energy creature, who must reform constantly do to replenish his wounds and form.
To counter the edged weapon idea, Shroom also releases spores from his hide when sliced into. Osmosis will also help to damage Nuvi, since if he attempts to reform between one wave and another, the energy will have been wasted. Even if he doesn't do that, the attack can hit ten times, and if all of them hit, then that's 5 times the damage of Godzilla's nuclear pulse. AND, if he tries to stop a wave, another comes anyway, and then another, etc. He will be overwhelmed.
Shroom takes this in my opinion, but I'd like to discuss this more with yaburu before anyone else casts their vote.
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Post by yaburu on Aug 5, 2008 19:59:45 GMT -5
Yeah, I know, that's going to be Nuvi's biggest threat. However, if he just goes to his raw energy form, the spores won't have any effect, so that's an out for him if he needs it. Also, if the spores eat a hole in him, his "blood" will explode as soon as it comes into contact with something, Shroom included.
Nuvi may just move to a ranged attack plan if hacking away with axes and swords gets to be too much, creating throwing stars and throwing axes and such. He can also charge the weapons themselves to give an explosive energy charge when they hit, further damaging Shroom, and since Nuvi will be away when they hit, the spores won't do any damage...or as much, depending on how far Nuvi is when he actually does the throwing.
Yeah, but since he can control energy, he'll be able to deflect at least a few. Maybe even send them back to Shroom.
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Post by THE GODZILLA on Aug 9, 2008 14:42:36 GMT -5
When in his pure energy, will it take a toll on his energy? It sounds like it would, since he's being in an entirely pure state of energy at once.
The blood is indeed an issue. However, Nuvi would have to make a choice; reform and not die or allow the blood to flow from his wounds to actually make an impact on the battle.
Throwing weapons without energy wouldn't be effective. While they would pierce his hide, they wouldn't do a ton of damage due to how little they would go in (it may be able to be slashed at, but piercing isn't effective on a mossy surface like Shroom's hide). Energy helps to take that out of the equation, but then Nuvi is just wasting energy when Shroom would eventually regenerate that damage.
And if Shroom has Nuvi rooted, then he won't be throwing anything, due to the tendrils wrapped around him. Or, he will have an extremely hard time throwing and will probably miss.
Yeah, I figured that. However, I'm not entirely sure how he can deflect them back. Cause if he sends a wave back, it will merely hit the next wave, and then one after that will still come for him.
Shroom's regeneration will be extremely helpful to him in this battle as well, even though it isn't super fast like Biollante's.
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Post by yaburu on Aug 9, 2008 16:46:18 GMT -5
Kind of. The act of abandoning his shell will take a small toll, but for the most part, it doesn't have any effect on his reserves. It's main advantage is giving far more speed then his shell forms can produce, but at the cost of him taking more damage from attacks
Both of these work under the same context. Nuvi is going to have to put out energy to win this battle. Once he sees that Shroom can regenerate damage, he'll quite likely go all out, trying to cause as much damage as he can in a short amount of time, overwhelming Shroom.
This is where Nuvi's ability to fire energy blasts from anywhere comes in handy. Even if he's wrapped up head to toe, he can still use a blast to free himself. In fact, he has his own energy pulse to help him there, as well as the energy surge. That will actually discourage Shroom from trying to tie him up too many times.
Actually, yeah, you're right. He'll be able to stop the waves from hitting him, but that's it, and not all of them for that matter. Maybe two or three waves out of a pack of five.
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Post by THE GODZILLA on Aug 9, 2008 18:25:36 GMT -5
Then he'll take more damage from Shroom's attacks, since faster speed isn't gonna help when he's rooted in place.
By then Nuvi would have suffered dramatically from the effects of the spores that he'll be easier to keep in place and prevent him from attacking. And if Shroom realizes that he's about to go down, then he'll pull out Bloom Doom Boom Shroom. And Nuvi is screwed if he uses it.
Shroom can regenerate his tendrils almost instantly. He'll keep rooting Nuvi constantly even if he breaks free.
There's 10 waves in total.
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Post by yaburu on Aug 10, 2008 13:42:31 GMT -5
When in his raw form, he's almost impossible to keep in place thanks to him having complete flexibility. And I'm not even sure he can be touched due to him being just energy in this form, it's not something I've ever really touched upon a whole lot.
Once Nuvi realizes the energy pulse isn't getting the job done, the energy surge will become the order of the day. The surge will send waves of energy through the tendrils and into Shroom himself, damaging his insides.
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Post by Inferno Rodan on Aug 10, 2008 20:01:57 GMT -5
Meh, I really don't see Shroom exhausting Nuvi before Nuvi inflicts enough damage to bring him down. I mean, sure, Shroom can root Nuvi down and spore him, but Nuvi can just switch to his energy form and blast Shroom with a big-ass energy beam. And if he nails Shroom with a beam like the one he turned Des into fertilizer with, the plant-fungus monster is going to be hurting bad.
Nuvi.
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