KOTA: Megarelia vs. Gojulas Giga

[Monster Master]

Megarelia

vs.

Gojulas Giga

Arena: Tokyo, Japan

[Bio]

Gojulas Giga is big, he's bad, and he's got some freakin' INSANE armor.

But now, he gets to fight a mega-snake...

Yes folks, I've been waiting weeks to say that.

Megarealie is little more than a snake of illogical scale. And ya know what? He's arguably my most powerful monster.

His skin alone resisted Rygama's heat beam from point black, underwater no less, and his dorsal scutes were able to repell her jaws with dismissable damage. Seeing as how Ry's jaws are as powerful as Giga's, at least, that says something.

The giga cannons are Gojulas' best asset here, but even they won't do a whole lot of good. Problem is, they're bullet-like weapons, and not only is Megarelia insanely resistant to damage, he's also a snake, meaning even punching a hole in an organ, in this case, won't put him down.

Now, the way I see this going, Megarelia stalks Giga and swallows it. Giga wastes a few shells, then fries its way out with the thunder strike, prompting Megarelia to cough it up. At which point Megarelia coughs him up, attempts to crush the machine in his coils. Giga's armor will probably keep him from being totally demolished, but there's the issue of the plates. There's a good chance of the dorsal plates being crushed in the coils, disarming him to a certain point, allowing the snake to swallow Giga again. Without the use of the thunder strike, Giga would then slowly corrode to death inside the snake's stomach.

Now, before anyone brings up Megarelia refusing to eat a hunk of metal, let me point out that snakes nave no sense of taste. It woon't 'taste' bad to the snake, but more importantly, Megarelia uses his stomach as a weapon, not just a means of digestion. He considers swallowing an enemy to be an effective strategy, whether he's hungry or not.

Giant snakes ftw.

[Inferno Rodan]

bio said:

Seeing as how Ry's jaws are as powerful as Giga's, at least, that says something.

No, no, no. Giga's jaws are stronger. Remember what I said about Giga's jaws literally being able to crush anything he can get them around? Yeah, that still applies. And since snakes are essentially a long spinal column, Giga crunching down on it would be very, very bad.

The giga cannons are Gojulas' best asset here, but even they won't do a whole lot of good. Problem is, they're bullet-like weapons, and not only is Megarelia insanely resistant to damage, he's also a snake, meaning even punching a hole in an organ, in this case, won't put him down.

The Giga Cannons are not bullet-type weapons. Bullets don't explode with tremendous force. They won't simply "punch a hole in an organ", they'll blow a hole in its body.

Now, the way I see this going, Megarelia stalks Giga and swallows it. Giga wastes a few shells, then fries its way out with the thunder strike, prompting Megarelia to cough it up.

A snake.. stalking Giga... on land... in an area that offers little cover for something so long...

Yeah, that's not gonna happen. But I'll humor you and go along with this.

Okay, Megarelia latches onto Giga and starts swallowing him. Since you've said he's basically a snake of enormous proportion, I'm going to assume it swallows things like normal snakes do: head first. Now, three problems present themselves at this point.

The first being that Giga's shape doesn't exactly facilitate being swallowed, what with the large cannons protruding from his back and pointing forward. To get around those, he would have to stretch his mouth to ridiculous sizes prior to even getting his jaws around Giga's head. Snakes are incapable of fully stretching their jaws on their own; they simply dislocate them and the food item stretches them itself.

The second problem is related to the first. Those cannons aren't going to be inactive while Giga's head is engulfed. They're gonna be firing away at Megarelia's neck. And I guaran-damn-tee you that a few rounds from them will open up a very nice hole in the snake. Assuming that doesn't outright kill him, it'll sure as hell make him loosen his grip enough to allow Giga to pull his head out.

The third problem is Giga's jaws. Note how in Giga's bio that it says they are "capable of rending even the toughest of flesh and metal." That includes Megarelia's obnoxiously tough esophagous. Giga WILL be able to tear his way out.

God forbid Giga just swings his tail around and buries his blades in Megarelia's skull before the snake even starts trying to swallow him.

[Bio]

No, no, no. Giga's jaws are stronger. Remember what I said about Giga's jaws literally being able to crush anything he can get them around?

Nopenopenope. Ry's are stronger. Giga's are marginally weaker than Scorpius' claws, which are on par with Wendigo's claws, which are on par with Ry's jaws.

Ry's jaws are stronger, and buddy, I included the scene of her ripping at his spine JUST for you. Ry's are stronger, and if she can't crunch his spine, I guarantee you Giga's won't.

That's just the way it is.

The Giga Cannons are not bullet-type weapons. Bullets don't explode with tremendous force. They won't simply "punch a hole in an organ", they'll blow a hole in its body.

Impressive.
Too bad they won't go very deep into Megarelia's flesh.

Okay, Megarelia latches onto Giga and starts swallowing him. Since you've said he's basically a snake of enormous proportion, I'm going to assume it swallows things like normal snakes do: head first. Now, three problems present themselves at this point.

I said in essence, which means most of the basics are there. HOWEVER, snakes don't swallow prey larger than their head alive, and they don't rip of arms if it helps them out.
Megarelia does, so don't assume just because something applies to a species of snake that it applies to this monster - who might I add is more of a snake ancestor than a true python.

The first being that Giga's shape doesn't exactly facilitate being swallowed, what with the large cannons protruding from his back and pointing forward. To get around those, he would have to stretch his mouth to ridiculous sizes prior to even getting his jaws around Giga's head. Snakes are incapable of fully stretching their jaws on their own; they simply dislocate them and the food item stretches them itself.

And here we are. Megarelia swallowed Rygama with ease, and he did so while she was struggling. Giga'll go down quite easily.
A few giga cannon shots aren't going to matter.

The third problem is Giga's jaws. Note how in Giga's bio that it says they are "capable of rending even the toughest of flesh and metal." That includes Megarelia's obnoxiously tough esophagous. Giga WILL be able to tear his way out.

HAH! This is something I can counter like a brick wall to a bug.

Rygama's claws are able to rip through anything, period. Not essentially anything, just anything. I made that very clear.
Ry's claws did nothing to Megarelia's stomach lining. Contradiction though it may be, let me make it clear that for all intents and purposes, Megarelia's stomach and esophageal lining is COMPLETELY impenetrable.
I should point out, Megarelia is like Crisis in that regard. Once you go in, there's only one way out.
Giga can get out once, then he gets his fins crushed.

God forbid Giga just swings his tail around and buries his blades in Megarelia's skull before the snake even starts trying to swallow him.

Let me make it clear that there is absolutely nothing physical Gojulas Giga can do that Rygama can't do with equal effectiveness. Rygama had Megarelia's head inside her mouth, and yet she barely penetrated it. She did no lethal damage, and only won the battle due to oxygen deprivation on Megarelia's part.

I'm gonna say it again.
Giant snakes ftw.

[Omegarex24]

Ry's are stronger. Giga's are marginally weaker than Scorpius' claws, which are on par with Wendigo's claws, which are on par with Ry's jaws.

FFKT stats don't apply here lumpy.

That, and you and the other FFKT staff members were extremely inconsistent in their power rating assignments, so that's second point in my favor.

That being said, the Giga takes this with some difficulty. Those Giga Cannons will do all kinds of untold damages to Megarelia, and I doubt she'd enjoy having all that lightning blast her ass either.

And the Giga's jaws would do a nice job of crunching her spine apart, rendering most of her bodly essentially useless, largely dependant on where he strikes with them. That tail blade can carve her open like a Christmas turkey. Now Megs can still take a lot of damage, the problem is that Gojulas can just keep dishing out. Attemping to crush him is no guarentee that it will succesfully crush him, given the amounts of punishment the Giga's armor can take.

So Megarelia will fall, albeit not easily.

[Bio]

FFKT stats don't apply here lumpy.

That, and you and the other FFKT staff members were extremely inconsistent in their power rating assignments, so that's second point in my favor.

Uh, who said 'FFKT'? I didn't say 'FFKT'. You said 'FFKT'.

Rygama's jaws are facutally as strong as, if not stronger than Gojulas Giga's, so factually, it won't be doing much damage to Megarelia's armor plated spine, because his jaws are no stronger than hers, and hers did nothing.

Call the stat police all you want, but it specifically states in her bio that Ry's jaws are her strongest muscle group, which is saying something when you consider her strength normally. Ry's jaws didn't damage Megarelia's spine considerably, and neither will Giga's.

I question whether you even read any material regarding Megarelia, as I've yet to refer to him in the female tense. That prettymuch tells me you've skimmed over everything regarding him that I've yet said.

Those Giga Cannons will do all kinds of untold damages to Megarelia

No they won't. They'll do some surface damaged but Megarelia ignored a point blank blast to his skin from Ry's heat ray. Not the spine or belly, mind you, but to the vulnerable scales along the side. That's saying something.
No matter how big and pretty the giga cannons are, they won't do anything critical to Megarelia, and they certainly won't kill him.

And the Giga's jaws would do a nice job of crunching her spine apart

Megarelia's spine > Rygama's jaws > Gojulas Giga's jaws

Attemping to crush him is no guarentee that it will succesfully crush him, given the amounts of punishment the Giga's armor can take.

Megarelia doesn't need to crush it. It only needs to crush the bulky, thin, vulnberable dorsal plates in order to win. Then it's just a quick swallow away from leaving Giga helpless inside Megarelia's stomach. Something it aint escaping once it looses use of the thunder strike.

So Megarelia will fall, albeit not easily.

No offense, but I've never much cared for the "After a long and brutal battle, this one wins so badly and so easily for all these insane advantages and how awsome it is. But it won't be an easy battle." attitude. If you have a winner in mind, it seems less wasteful and less hypocritical to me to just state the winner, state why, and be done with it.

[Omegarex24]

1. Bio, when people they think of you, they think of Rygama. Rygama, being female, and seeing as how you've drilled that fact into our head, leads many of us to think of your kaiju in terms of being female. And yes, I did read through the stats, bios, etc, although gender issues were never that big a deal with me.

2. Nowhere, and I repeat, nowhere, does it state that Ry's jaws are stronger than the Giga's. It says they are her strongest muscle group, but it does nothing to prove that they are stronger than Giga's jaws. It's your word against IR's, and I'm more inclined to trust my own decisions over yours or his.

3. Ry's plasma water attack isn't the same thing as the Giga Cannons. they penetrate and explode, and in very powerful ways. Shrugging off Ry's attacks is one thing. the Giga Cannons are quite another, and something I don't think megs can just shrug off.

4. The reason I say it will be difficult to win is because Megs can and will be fighting back the entire time. Giga just strikes me as being more suited to dealing the crippling strikes.

[Bio]

1. Bio, when people they think of you, they think of Rygama. Rygama, being female, and seeing as how you've drilled that fact into our head, leads many of us to think of your kaiju in terms of being female. And yes, I did read through the stats, bios, etc, although gender issues were never that big a deal with me.

The only time gender has ever been much of an issue with me is regarding Destroyah. No one's ever had trouble accepting Ry as female, so I would hardly say I've 'drilled it' into anyone's heads.

Rygama is female, Megarelia is male. That's all there is to it.

2. Nowhere, and I repeat, nowhere, does it state that Ry's jaws are stronger than the Giga's. It says they are her strongest muscle group, but it does nothing to prove that they are stronger than Giga's jaws. It's your word against IR's, and I'm more inclined to trust my own decisions over yours or his.

Ok, lemme put it this way.

Giga's jaws were stated, by IR, to be slightly below the claws of Scorpius in terms of raw power. Scorpius' most prominant claw feat was crushing Megalon's drill. I decree that Rygama's jaws could do something similar.
And since you yourself frequently bring up how utterly insane Ry's strength is, it shouldn't be much of a stretch for you to accept just how powerful her jaws - her strongest muscle group - would be.

3. Ry's plasma water attack isn't the same thing as the Giga Cannons. they penetrate and explode, and in very powerful ways. Shrugging off Ry's attacks is one thing. the Giga Cannons are quite another, and something I don't think megs can just shrug off.

It's of a somewhat different nature, but both rely largely on explosive power, granted Ry's is more heat than blunt force.
However, the focus was to demonstrate Megarelia's extreme invulnerability. The very purpose of that scene was to do this, so I would have something to use when he inevitably faced Giga.

Giga's cannons will need to repeatedly strike the same spot in order to penetrate Megarelia's armor, and they'll have to avoid hitting the armor along his back, since it will inevitably shrug off the majority of the punishment. I don't see that happening while Giga's cannons are stuffed inside the snake's mouth, or he's coiled around it, preventing Giga from even aiming them properly.

[Inferno Rodan]

Again Bio, Giga's jaws can crush ANYTHING they latch onto. That includes Megarelia's uber-tough armor.

And in the case of Megarelia's stomach lining, Giga will tear through that as well. The stabbing of Rygama's claws and the cutting, tearing, crushing of Giga's jaws are very different things. Where Rygama could merely slash away at it, allowing it to stretch and prevent damage, Giga will latch onto it and saw away at it with his teeth. Rubber stretches well, but it doesn't hold up against sawing.

Oh, and Giga's cannons are stronger than Rygama's uber-water could ever hope to be. We're talking an attack that ripped the flesh from GFW Godzilla's chest and broke several of his ribs. All Rygama's did was eat the skin off Spacegodzilla's neck.

[Bio]

Again Bio, Giga's jaws can crush ANYTHING they latch onto. That includes Megarelia's uber-tough armor.

So can Rygama's.

And in the case of Megarelia's stomach lining, Giga will tear through that as well. The stabbing of Rygama's claws and the cutting, tearing, crushing of Giga's jaws are very different things. Where Rygama could merely slash away at it, allowing it to stretch and prevent damage, Giga will latch onto it and saw away at it with his teeth. Rubber stretches well, but it doesn't hold up against sawing.

Did you miss the part in the bio that specifically states that nothing can tear through the lining?

Giga's jaws won't rip through it, just like Ry's claws didn't. It's one of Megarelia's statistical abilities.
Deal with it.

Oh, and Giga's cannons are stronger than Rygama's uber-water could ever hope to be. We're talking an attack that ripped the flesh from GFW Godzilla's chest and broke several of his ribs. All Rygama's did was eat the skin off Spacegodzilla's neck.

Well whoopity do and good for you. For starters, that wasn't her uber water, that was her MUCH older acid ray. I just never bothered to edit it out since I gave her a new battle scene anyway.

Secondly, if Rygama's jaws can't critically damage the spine, Giga's weapons won't. Know why? Because Rygama IS penetration, and yet Megarelia held up against everything she dished out.

Third, Rygama's heat beam can be officially clocked at slightly greater than twice the power of Heisei Gamera's fireballs at mid range.
It's not that he withstood the beam that matters, it's the fact that he completely ignored it at point blank range.

There is quite simply nothing Gojulas Giga can do to seriously harm the snake.

[Inferno Rodan]

bio said:

So can Rygama's.

Thusfar I have yet to see anything supporting your claim that Wendigo's claws are anywhere close to Scorpius' in terms of sheer crushing power. Crunching a Gyaos is far from impressive.

Did you miss the part in the bio that specifically states that nothing can tear through the lining?

Giga's jaws won't rip through it, just like Ry's claws didn't. It's one of Megarelia's statistical abilities.
Deal with it.

Did you miss the part where Giga's bio states that his jaws can rend anything? It's one of Giga's statistical abilities. Deal with it.

Well whoopity do and good for you. For starters, that wasn't her uber water, that was her MUCH older acid ray. I just never bothered to edit it out since I gave her a new battle scene anyway.

The point still stands.

And funny how you're just now bringing that up. You always referred to it as superheated water in her previous FMs here.

Secondly, if Rygama's jaws can't critically damage the spine, Giga's weapons won't. Know why? Because Rygama IS penetration, and yet Megarelia held up against everything she dished out.

And Giga IS penetration, crushing, ripping, blasting...

Again, the forces applied by Rygama's slashing and Giga's crushing, tearing combo are completely different. When Giga gets a mouthful of stomach lining, not only will an unfathomable amount of pressure be applied to it (greater than what Rygama's arms are capable of applying), but there will be a set of teeth on either side of the stomach lining. That means it will be incapable of stretching as it normally would. Then once Giga starts thrashing his head, that mouthful of stomach lining will be sawed off. Then it's just a matter of repeating the process on the much less forgiving ribcage/muscle/skin.

Or he could simply bite her spine through the stomach lining and sever it from there.

And this is still humoring you by assuming Megarelia will even be able to get Giga down its throat in the first place. When Rygama latched onto Megarelia's head, her teeth went clear through his skull. The only thing that saved him was that he managed to jerk away. He won't be so lucky against Giga, seeing as how Giga's teeth will be imbedded in his skull the instant they come in contact with it. Another quarter second, and the skull will be crushed. We're talking something marginally weaker than Scorpius' claws, which EASILY shattered an object capable of ripping through solid earth at mach 3 with no damage. And that's just in the sheer crushing power they exert. Giga's teeth concentrate that force into small points, giving them considerably greater damage potential.

Give me examples of Wendigo's claws and Rygama's jaws performing comparable feats.

Third, Rygama's heat beam can be officially clocked at slightly greater than twice the power of Heisei Gamera's fireballs at mid range.
It's not that he withstood the beam that matters, it's the fact that he completely ignored it at point blank range.

That's hardly impressive, be be blunt. Especially considering one of Gamera's fireballs was weaker than a pair of SAMs. Giga's cannons are exponentially more powerful than that.

There is quite simply nothing Gojulas Giga can do to seriously harm the snake.

Keep telling yourself that.

[Bio]

Thusfar I have yet to see anything supporting your claim that Wendigo's claws are anywhere close to Scorpius' in terms of sheer crushing power. Crunching a Gyaos is far from impressive.

Howsabout ripping Rygama's arm clean off? Not yanking it off, like Megarelia did, but literally crushing the tissue.

And passively crushing a full sized hyper Gyaos is QUITE impressive.

Did you miss the part where Giga's bio states that his jaws can rend anything? It's one of Giga's statistical abilities. Deal with it.

If they can rend anything, how can they be weaker than Scorpius' claws?

Let me put this in a manner that your dinosaur-like skull won't resist. Megarelia's stomach lining is a no-limits falacy. That is to say NOTHING physical can penetrate it. That is to say, Megarelia's stomach lining is the single most powerful force in the universe.

It's in the bio, so stop making garbage up about Giga's jaws somehow managing to rend through something that cannot be penetrated.

Again, the forces applied by Rygama's slashing and Giga's crushing, tearing combo are completely different. When Giga gets a mouthful of stomach lining, not only will an unfathomable amount of pressure be applied to it (greater than what Rygama's arms are capable of applying), but there will be a set of teeth on either side of the stomach lining. That means it will be incapable of stretching as it normally would. Then once Giga starts thrashing his head, that mouthful of stomach lining will be sawed off. Then it's just a matter of repeating the process on the much less forgiving ribcage/muscle/skin.

Rygama held BOTH arms out at once while inside Megarelia's stomach, and if you would take a moment to read through it, you might notice how it was described as getting tighter on her when she did. That is to say, it stopped stretching, and began simply resisting. Ry stretched it as far as it would go and it STILL didn't budge!
Do you FATHOM this, boy? How much more blatantly must I spell it out? Rygama's claws are also a no limits falacy and they STILL couldn't get through.
GOJULAS GIGA CANNOT AND WILL NOT RIP THROUGH MEGARELIA'S STOMACH LINING.

The snake was specifically designed for creatures like Rygama and Giga, so don't try to convince me that Giga can rip through it when I was thinking about the likes of Giga and Ry when I designed the stupid thing.

The stomach lining is IMPENETRABLE. To hell with Giga's jaws, they WON'T break through because I specifically designed Megarelia to be able to contain bozos like him.

Do you understand me? Or am I going to have to continue this circular rant? Megarelia's stomach is COMPLETELY impenetrable to ANYTHING, even things that are capable of penetrating anything.

And just so you don't ignore me again, I'm going to say again, we can clearly read that the stomach tightened when Rygama spread her arms out inside it, meaning the lining's own durability was containing her.

Suck it up and freaking DEAL WITH IT, because I WON'T have you ignoring what is explicitely stated in the bio.

And this is still humoring you by assuming Megarelia will even be able to get Giga down its throat in the first place. When Rygama latched onto Megarelia's head, her teeth went clear through his skull.

The only reason Ry was able to do this was due to her ability to dislocate her jaws. Giga won't even be able to fit a signifigant(that is, lethal) portion of Megarelia's head inside its mouth.

The only thing that saved him was that he managed to jerk away

He managed to jerk away, but it's not what saved him. Jerking away while teeth that huge are lodged deep inside your skull should be lethal, but Megarelia's head was able to hold up to it. Now, had Ry managed to bite in very deep, she would've scraped off a peice of his brain when he pulled away. But he didn't.

That's hardly impressive, be be blunt. Especially considering one of Gamera's fireballs was weaker than a pair of SAMs.

In your opinion. My opinion differs considerably, considering I go by the formula that Gamera's fireballs have at least three times the explosive power of Heisei Godzilla's ray. That means Ry's beam has six times the power of Heisei Godzilla's ray.
This means that Megarelia has six times the physical durablity - on the weakest part of his body - as Battra, meaning whatever the cannons did to Battra's body will be reduced by a factor of six when used on Megarelia.

In case it's not blatantly apparent, where Rygama is a tank, Megarelia is an aircraft carrier.

Keep telling yourself that.

The entirety of your argument relies on you making garbage up and blatantly ignoring what's stated in my monster bios. I'm going by the facts, and the facts say that Megarelia is specifically designed to pound bozos like Gojulas Giga.

The only reason Rygama wasn't killed on arrival was due to her thermal aura.

[HyperGFreak]

...um, wha? Wha?

Ahh...all right. I avoided voting on this yesterday due to wanting to see the debate carry on a bit while longer, but...yeah. Thing is, Megarelia doesn't really have much outside of simple strength and natural defenses in his path. Giga, on the other hand, is a walking tank. Frankly, though, if Giga can really get out of Megs the first time around with his lightning strike...then after that, with all due respect to the snake's defenses, he's going to damage. As there's always "impenetrable" defenses and attacks that "can penetrate anything" floating around, when it fcomes time to match them together, I just say that the attacks do decent damage and leave it there.

In that case, I don't see the Giga Cannons doing too much, but the electricity will before they get put out of action. Jaws and jaw statistics all shoved aside, I care more about Giga's blade being the turning point. That attack is pretty dang tough in my eyes, and Megarelia's a...uh, snake. Snakes aren't usually the thickest. At most, Giga whacks him in the approximately the same spot, at most, three or four times, chops the kaiju in half. And even if he does get swallowed without the lightning, and even with such a damn tough stomach lining, I foresee giant shells and a giant blade hurting in there...so, yes, Giga gets my vote.

[Bio]

and Megarelia's a...uh, snake. Snakes aren't usually the thickest. At most, Giga whacks him in the approximately the same spot, at most, three or four times, chops the kaiju in half

Megarelia is the largest creature in the Arena. The thinnest point on his entire body - save the tail section - is thicker than Gojulas Giga's torso.

And even if he does get swallowed without the lightning, and even with such a damn tough stomach lining, I foresee giant shells and a giant blade hurting in there...so, yes, Giga gets my vote.

No they won't. Megarelia is specially adapted to deal with struggling monsters with all manner of armaments. The giga cannons are no different from Ry'a claws, once Giga's inside. When he loses the thunder strike, Giga AINT getting out of Megarelia's stomach, and that's all there is to it.

[Inferno Rodan]

bio said:

The thinnest point on his entire body - save the tail section - is thicker than Gojulas Giga's torso.

If that's the case, then his ass is scaled down for every match he's in, this one included.