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Post by Inferno Rodan on Aug 18, 2008 0:15:20 GMT -5
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Post by THE GODZILLA on Aug 18, 2008 10:18:15 GMT -5
Ok, now this is definitely an interesting little match up. Like with the Shroom vs. Nuvi topic, I ask people to merely discuss this before voting right off the back, since this one has quite the odd combatants.
Ok, to the match. Most are probably going to say "Well, Nuvi is energy, so he won't be affected by Psychosis's mind attacks, right?" Wrong. As I have taken notice in his previous matches, Nuvi does indeed have a mind, and it is seemingly smart as well. This gives Psychosis a major advantage over his foe, since he can now tell what his foe's moves will be and will counter them effectively (he countered every attack thrown at him expect one, which he was too busy torturing one of the Evas).
Now then, Nuvi can definitely do some damage to Psychosis. However, Psychosis has the advantage of being able to last longer due to his body not suffering from blood loss. However, this implies if Nuvi will even do a lot of damage to Psychosis, since he's going to be messed up from hallucinations, etc.
The three attacks that are going to do the main damage are definitely Psychosis's Anti-Matter Beam (and he'll spam it if he needs to), Mind Blast, and Mind Flay. Mind Flay is going to be incredibly effective since Nuvi's movement and attack speeds are going to be going at a very slow pace.
God forbid Psychosis mind controls Nuvi. He'll make him waste all his energy and once that's happened, it's GG. And in this arena of battle... lol @ the Anti-Gravity Field. That'd be entertaining to see...
Yaburu, your thoughts?
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Post by yaburu on Aug 18, 2008 12:58:45 GMT -5
Weeeellll, there is one big issue that needs to be determined before we can really get into this.
Psychosis' powers work on the mind, all well and good, but Nuvi doesn't have a MIND, he has a CONSCIOUSNESS, a collective one to be precise. He's comprised of the collective minds of billions of individuals. How will that affect Psych's powers?
And, for that matter, won't Psych's powers be using a form of energy? Which Nuvi can control if he catches him getting ready to use it?
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Post by THE GODZILLA on Aug 18, 2008 21:04:10 GMT -5
Psychosis' powers work on the mind, all well and good, but Nuvi doesn't have a MIND, he has a CONSCIOUSNESS, a collective one to be precise. He's comprised of the collective minds of billions of individuals. How will that affect Psych's powers? "But there was one factor that they'd forgotten to calculate. This massive body would be controlled by one mind, whichever mind exerted the most willpower. That mind was a violent and power hungry military commander who'd advocated conquering another planet and moving the population there. Now, in control of a large, powerful ball of energy, that commander plans on carrying out his will." This is from Nuvi's bio. This implies that he is definitely vulnerable to Psychosis's mind attacks. I wouldn't consider it any energy. It's an unknown force that messes with your mind. It's not supposed to be stopped by energy bending/resisting/absorbing attacks. That's exactly why I made a monster that uses mind attacks. I'm so ridiculously tired of monsters with armor that "absorbs all energy lawls". It was time to send them to their grave. |
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Post by yaburu on Aug 19, 2008 23:21:34 GMT -5
Oh yeah, the one mind thing. Rats, I ret-conned that in Kaiju Uprising and forgotten to alter his bio. Ah well. I still think there might be some difficulty depending on what the mind attacks...attack. Do they attack the brain?
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Post by Omegarex24 on Aug 20, 2008 7:02:26 GMT -5
I think they target the consciousness, or something like that. They affect machines with AIs as well, so it's not based on stuff like the brain. It doesn't seem explained all that well.
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Post by yaburu on Aug 20, 2008 9:40:31 GMT -5
I suppose if it affects AI, it would affect Nuvi as well.
Still, I'm not throwing in the towel. I don't really have a lot of time now, but I'll edit this post later with some arguments on Nuvi's behalf.
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Post by THE GODZILLA on Aug 20, 2008 13:36:10 GMT -5
I think they target the consciousness, or something like that. They affect machines with AIs as well, so it's not based on stuff like the brain. It doesn't seem explained all that well. Compared to how most of the attacks/abilities on here are explained, it doesn't need one.  It's supposed to have a mysterious effect behind it, unexplainable, etc. And I'm willing to wait for you yaburu.  |
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Post by yaburu on Aug 22, 2008 13:18:56 GMT -5
I found it. Nuvi's deus ex machina.
Matter/energy conversion. Nuvi can convert energy to matter, and matter to energy. All he has to do is touch Psycho, and he can convert him to energy, wiping him out.
I don't know why I didn't catch that before.
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Post by THE GODZILLA on Aug 23, 2008 10:23:32 GMT -5
I found it. Nuvi's deus ex machina.Matter/energy conversion. Nuvi can convert energy to matter, and matter to energy. All he has to do is touch Psycho, and he can convert him to energy, wiping him out. I don't know why I didn't catch that before. ... So Nuvi can beat anything he wants without trying then, right? Or, I can just say that since Nuvi didn't do it in his demo match, NOR did you EVER mention him doing it in his previous match-ups, he won't do it to Psychosis. Yeah, I'll go with that. |
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Post by yaburu on Aug 23, 2008 11:10:13 GMT -5
Well, basically, yeah. This makes him incredibly cheap, and I'm going to tone him down here at some point in the future, but yes. The only Arena match Nuvi has ever been in was with Magren, who is made of Negative Energy, which Nuvi can't control. Oh, and the whole "no one hit kills" rule kind of put a lid on that too.  Well, it could be argued that he didn't feel he had to resort to that. but the real reason is simply because I didn't think of it at the time. That demo battle was very, very rushed, and if I had the time, I would have had examples of a lot more of Nuvi's abilities. Bottom line is this: It's in his bio, it counts. Matter to energy conversion. Psycho is made of matter, so it can work on him. I'm not saying this is a good thing. As I said above, this makes Nuvi cheap as a McDonald's burger, and I don't deal in cheap kaiju. If it comes down to it, and there's a general consensus that this would work, I'm likely to pull Nuvi out of the tournament altogether. A cheap win isn't a win at all in my eyes. |
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Post by THE GODZILLA on Aug 23, 2008 21:25:35 GMT -5
The only Arena match Nuvi has ever been in was with Magren, who is made of Negative Energy, which Nuvi can't control. Demo match AND fantasy matches. You never mentioned it at all. Oh yeah? Ok, I can play this game too. Psychosis mind controls Nuvi before he can do anything and makes him kill himself. There, I just did what you did, but I have the first move because I can read your mind and react before you do. See, that isn't satisfying at all, nor do I want this match to be like that. |
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Post by yaburu on Aug 23, 2008 23:50:19 GMT -5
Oh yeah? Ok, I can play this game too. Psychosis mind controls Nuvi before he can do anything and makes him kill himself. So basically what we have here are two very cheap kaiju who can kill in one shot. There, I just did what you did, but I have the first move because I can read your mind and react before you do. See, that isn't satisfying at all, nor do I want this match to be like that. No, no it's not. And if you wanted a hotly contested satisfying match, you shouldn't have put a cheap kaiju in. Seriously. What kaiju in the entire tournament, shit, the entire Arena, could beat Psychosis with the way you have him set up? None off the top of my head. Sure, they might get a few hits in, but if they got too close to victory, he can simply whip out his powers and make them commit suicide. And from what I've read, nothing is immune to his powers. EDIT: after further consideration, I'm not ready to throw in the towel yet. Nuvi. |
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Post by THE GODZILLA on Aug 23, 2008 23:56:24 GMT -5
Sure, they might get a few hits in, but if they got too close to victory, he can simply whip out his powers and make them commit suicide. And from what I've read, nothing is immune to his powers. Magmire. |
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Post by yaburu on Aug 24, 2008 15:36:37 GMT -5
I assume Psychosis falls under the category of a talented telepath...or...whatever he uses to take over minds?
This raises an interesting point though, and one I've yet to really think about. You say Magmire is immune, and I assume it's due to his bacteria having a collective conscious. Nuvi is made up of billions of minds. One mind controls them, yes, but there are still billions of separate minds in there. Wouldn't Psycho have some difficulty sifting through all those minds to single out the one that's doing the controlling?
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