KOTA Final: Gojulas Giga vs. Argus vs. NSG

[Bio]

Are you telling me how my own kaiju thinks?

I am indeed.
YOU aren't in his situation. You are not the one who has to devote the effort to accomplishing this fantastic feat. You can tell him to suck it up and do it from the safety of your chair.
Spacegodzilla, on the other hand, HAS no chair!

And what makes you think NSG will tire, hmm? He can create more crystals at will, so Argus destroying the field will be of little consequence in the long run. And there's the fact that NSG doesn't need to absorb energy nearly as often as his previous self. Thoughout the entire demo battle, he absorbed energy a total of 3 times, one of which was after he had energy-sucking Barem attached to him. The other times he did it were far from neccessary; he just did it to keep his battery full, so to speak.

Energy manipulation won't save you from bodily fatigue.

No, he's gonna keep Argus away from himself. Period.

He let Gaira in pretty readily.
Now, Argus may be strong, but he doesn't really look it all that much. His arms are actually pretty scrawny. And if NSG decided to read his mind, logic tells me he'd see it as little more than cockiness, and try to make a point to outdo him at his own game.

He didn't "let" anyone hit him. Dagahra was hidden god knows how many hundred feet underwater. NSG couldn't sense him. MOGs managed to hit him for the same reason. Mothra Leo got him with the powder because he was distracted. Those are the only times he was struck.

So... NSG CAN be distracted.
Ok, need I point out that there is a signifigant third party in this battle? Gojulas Giga can and will distract NSG, and he can and will allow Argus to close in and lay waste to the lot of them.

[Inferno Rodan]

monstermaster said:

Since when does having psychic powers and the ability to enter one's mind have a form of space limit?

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Since always, MM. No reasonable psychic can read the mind of something across the planet. If NSG doesn't know where something is, he can't read its mind.

Creating an earthquake that's greater than any other on Earth prior wouldn't distract NSG? Uh-huh. Hell, seeing his entire fortress, even if he can just create a new one, just fall to the ground and mountains crumble should be enough to distract him.

No, it won't. Because NSG will know what its effects will be. Argus will have a pretty good mental image of what he expects the Earthquake Punch to do. Therefore, so will NSG. Argus will NOT be able to catch him off guard.

And he let Gaira rush in. Seeing how Argus is NOTHING but hand-to-hand strength, why would it be any different here?

...Because NSG isn't stupid. He was a full 30 meters taller than Gaira, and nearly twice as heavy. He also knew full well what Gaira was capable of. Just like he'll know full well what Argus is capable of. Mind-reading is awesome like that.

bio said:

I am indeed.
YOU aren't in his situation. You are not the one who has to devote the effort to accomplishing this fantastic feat. You can tell him to suck it up and do it from the safety of your chair.
Spacegodzilla, on the other hand, HAS no chair!

NSG thinks the same way I do. Any tactic I would think of, NSG would as well.

Energy manipulation won't save you from bodily fatigue.

Considering the energy he absorbs generally powers his bodily functions, that's not true. He doesn't eat or drink. The energy he absorbs is his sustenance.

He let Gaira in pretty readily.
Now, Argus may be strong, but he doesn't really look it all that much. His arms are actually pretty scrawny. And if NSG decided to read his mind, logic tells me he'd see it as little more than cockiness, and try to make a point to outdo him at his own game.

See my comment regarding this above.

So... NSG CAN be distracted.
Ok, need I point out that there is a signifigant third party in this battle? Gojulas Giga can and will distract NSG, and he can and will allow Argus to close in and lay waste to the lot of them.

Giga will be crushed within a minute of the match starting. He will go after the target which he thinks will be easier to dispatch. That would be Argus.

[Monster Master]

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Since always, MM. No reasonable psychic can read the mind of something across the planet. If NSG doesn't know where something is, he can't read its mind.

If NSG was a reasonable psychic he wouldn't be able to read the thoughts of his enemy at a blink of an eye, not even the best of human psychics (if you believe in them) can do that.

No, it won't. Because NSG will know what its effects will be. Argus will have a pretty good mental image of what he expects the Earthquake Punch to do.

Going by that, it would be pretty easy for any kaiju to confuse NSG by simply making the monster believe an attack is stronger than it really is.

Therefore, so will NSG. Argus will NOT be able to catch him off guard.

Catching off guard isn't the same as distraction. A distraction would be like what I'm talking about, an off-guard attack would be Giga suddenly assaulting NSG and then Argus quickly getting up and snapping his neck from behind.

And since Giga and NSG know one another.. and Argus is an Earth-guarding God.. There's a likely chance both of them would team against NSG until the end.

Mind-reading is awesome like that.

Mind-reading is easily capable of being blocked. Hell, that could easily be used against NSG by Argus making him believe he's weaker than he really is, something that is not out of Argus' range to do.

NSG thinks the same way I do. Any tactic I would think of, NSG would as well.

That makes NSG just as prone to mistakes as you then also, remember, Mr. Destoroyah's Back Wasn't Blown Apart or Legion's Bolts Never Made Craters?

Giga will be crushed within a minute of the match starting. He will go after the target which he thinks will be easier to dispatch. That would be Argus.

Since you've made it clear that Giga is smart and I've made it very clear Argus is smart and good.. There's more of a chance they'd team.

[Bio]

NSG thinks the same way I do. Any tactic I would think of, NSG would as well.

Congrats. For the upteenth time, you COMPLETELY miss my point.

Considering the energy he absorbs generally powers his bodily functions, that's not true. He doesn't eat or drink. The energy he absorbs is his sustenance.

Now, I myself am willing to leave it at that.
However, since I feel like making fun of you, I'll go by your logic.

Logically speaking, that's completely impossible, on the grounds that NSG is clearly organic in design. If he could sustain himself purely on energy, his entire body woult be crystaline. And yet, over half of it is composed of living flesh.
I submit to you, that by your own unfairly biased logic when it comes to realism, that NSG cannot possibly posess this ability on the grounds that his organic body requires chemical energy. Especially in order to regenerate.

Giga will be crushed within a minute of the match starting. He will go after the target which he thinks will be easier to dispatch. That would be Argus.

In addition to being a contradiction, that makes NSG the biggest bloody fool I've yet to meet in this genre.

And FYI, those almighty Giga Cannons can and will shatter those crystals WAY early on in the match.

And Argus wouldn't need more than the few seconds provided by Giga in order to pound NSG into oblivian. If he's as strong as MM claims, then NSG's torso would shatter like something in a 'Dinosaurs Attack' cardline the moment Argus' fist connected with it.

[Inferno Rodan]

monstermaster said:

If NSG was a reasonable psychic he wouldn't be able to read the thoughts of his enemy at a blink of an eye, not even the best of human psychics (if you believe in them) can do that.

Uhh... yeah they can, actually. That's what mind reading is: reading someone else's thoughts as they think them.

Going by that, it would be pretty easy for any kaiju to confuse NSG by simply making the monster believe an attack is stronger than it really is.

The only way that would work would be if the kaiju actually believed their attack would have less effect that it would. Simply trying to fool him won't work, because, again, NSG knows whatever his opponent knows.

Catching off guard isn't the same as distraction. A distraction would be like what I'm talking about, an off-guard attack would be Giga suddenly assaulting NSG and then Argus quickly getting up and snapping his neck from behind.

Unless something happens that Argus isn't expecting, NSG won't be distracted. And even then, he won't be distracted for more than a moment. And, despite Argus's impressive leaping ability, a moment isn't enough to catch a kaiju that can fly at mach 3.

And since Giga and NSG know one another.. and Argus is an Earth-guarding God.. There's a likely chance both of them would team against NSG until the end.

Since Giga and NSG do know one another, Giga knows that NSG will royally screw him up if they fight. Likewise, Giga doesn't know that Argus is an Earth-guarding God. And Argus knows nothing about either opponent. The likelihood of a team-up is nill.

Mind-reading is easily capable of being blocked. Hell, that could easily be used against NSG by Argus making him believe he's weaker than he really is, something that is not out of Argus' range to do.

But Argus would know he's trying to fool NSG. Thus it wouldn't work.

That makes NSG just as prone to mistakes as you then also, remember, Mr. Destoroyah's Back Wasn't Blown Apart or Legion's Bolts Never Made Craters?

First of all, I never said Des' back wasn't blown out. I asked you to brighten a pic that Tomzilla posted, 'cause I couldn't see it. Secondly, that was lack of attention on my part, mainly because I'm not a huge fan of the Heisei Gamera movies and thus don't generally pay attention to every single detail.

Since you've made it clear that Giga is smart and I've made it very clear Argus is smart and good.. There's more of a chance they'd team.

But neither of them knows the other is good.

bio said:

Congrats. For the upteenth time, you COMPLETELY miss my point.

Then what WAS your point?

Now, I myself am willing to leave it at that.
However, since I feel like making fun of you, I'll go by your logic.

Logically speaking, that's completely impossible, on the grounds that NSG is clearly organic in design. If he could sustain himself purely on energy, his entire body woult be crystaline. And yet, over half of it is composed of living flesh.
I submit to you, that by your own unfairly biased logic when it comes to realism, that NSG cannot possibly posess this ability on the grounds that his organic body requires chemical energy. Especially in order to regenerate.

Magic.

In addition to being a contradiction, that makes NSG the biggest bloody fool I've yet to meet in this genre.

I'm going to assume that by "NSG" you mean "Giga".

And no, that's not a contradiction. You eliminate the weaker opponent first. That's basic strategy.

And FYI, those almighty Giga Cannons can and will shatter those crystals WAY early on in the match.

You think that Giga never hits NSG's shoulder crystals with his cannons in their fight? 'Cause he does. The crystals survive just fine, thank you very much. NSG loses a shoulder crystal to Giga's jaws, not the cannons.

And Argus wouldn't need more than the few seconds provided by Giga in order to pound NSG into oblivian. If he's as strong as MM claims, then NSG's torso would shatter like something in a 'Dinosaurs Attack' cardline the moment Argus' fist connected with it.

Even with Giga around, he won't take his mind off Argus for a moment. Against such a powerful opponent, he simply won't allow himself to be distracted.

And no one has attempted to dispute the part where I said NSG would blind Argus, which he will do if he feels the need.

[Bio]

IR, first and foremost, let me point out that mind-reading is NOT a 'free win' card, nor is it even a 'free prior preparation for anything your opponent does' card. There are two opponents here, both of which would probably take hours just to physically harm. Both of them could kill NSG with one well-placed shot. If there is ANY way to royally ruck him and his precious psionics up, it's that way.

Then what WAS your point?

NSG won't want to go through with all that. He'll do everything in his power to find an alternative.
Composing a strategy and acting it out are, quite literally, worlds different.

Magic.

Laaaaaaaaaaaame.

I'm going to assume that by "NSG" you mean "Giga".

NEVER assume ANYTHING.

And no, that's not a contradiction. You eliminate the weaker opponent first. That's basic strategy.

Yes it is a contradiction. You said Giga would go down in minutes, THEN you said Argus would be targeted first. There's your contradiction part.
The fact that he would consider Argus the weaker of the two is what makes him the biggest damn moron this genre has ever so kindly graces us with.

Even with Giga around, he won't take his mind off Argus for a moment. Against such a powerful opponent, he simply won't allow himself to be distracted.

And another contradiction...

Anyway, he focuses on Argus, Giga either blows him a new rectum or else bites his head off.

He focuses on Giga, Argus pops his head off.

No matter how badly you want to deny it, both monsters are capable of trashing NSG with little effort, and unfortunately for him, he has no way of immediately putting either of them down. He also only has one mind. Don't argue against it, kid. NSG demonstrated his distractability. He's going against two enemies, either one of which would be a handful for him. He doesn't have a snowball's hope in hell of focusing on both of them to the point of keeping one from nailing him hard.

Just because you think SG is your most powerful monster doesn't mean he is.

[lordnidhogg]

I'm going to put in my two cents here. Right now, I don't care for any of the combatants. I won't lie. However, I'll try this the best that I can. IR, NSG is pretty tough, but a God-kaiju he ain't. Gojulas is made of plastic. And MM, I just don't like Argus very much . Sorry.

Anyways, I actually see Argus attacking NSG first, which gives Giga the advantage. However, once he attacks either, or both if he uses his Giga canons, he'll probably die. That leaves Argus vs. NSG. And...NSG will probably win because he's cheap. His mind reading will come in handy, though I agree with Bio: it ain't and instant win card. Sometimes knowing a bullet is about to hit you doesn't help you a damn bit. Back to the point, he'll win because he's got beams, mind reading, and flight plus telekinesis. Basically, he's going to fly circles around Argus and beam him to death. When Argus tries to jump or whatever, he'll get caught and flung back or re-directed via telekinesis and beam-spammed again.

Now, I won't vote yet because I'm still on the fence, but NSG *should* take this, even though Argus deserves to win. But, range and deflection win the day, I'm afraid.

[Inferno Rodan]

bio said:

There are two opponents here, both of which would probably take hours just to physically harm.

Argus, yes. Giga, not quite. NSG dished out as much damage to Giga in their battle as vice versa. That Corona beam is strong.

NSG won't want to go through with all that. He'll do everything in his power to find an alternative.
Composing a strategy and acting it out are, quite literally, worlds different.

Of course he won't want to go through all that. But the fact of the matter is he'll have no choice, and he'll know that.

Yes it is a contradiction. You said Giga would go down in minutes, THEN you said Argus would be targeted first. There's your contradiction part.
The fact that he would consider Argus the weaker of the two is what makes him the biggest damn moron this genre has ever so kindly graces us with.

Assuming a relatively scrawny, bipedal Triceratops is less of a threat than a beam-spewing terror which he knows is fully capable of matching him in battle... is stupid? Wow...

And another contradiction...

Anyway, he focuses on Argus, Giga either blows him a new rectum or else bites his head off.

He focuses on Giga, Argus pops his head off.

...Or he allows the two of them to fight each other.

...And then shoots Argus' eyes out.

No matter how badly you want to deny it, both monsters are capable of trashing NSG with little effort,

Giga nearly being destroyed in the process of fighting NSG to a standstill = trashing NSG with little effort?

Just because you think SG is your most powerful monster doesn't mean he is.

Uhh... yeah, actually, it does.

[HyperGFreak]

Ah, to hell with long arguments with way too many quotes in them. I was actually considering Giga at first, but down to Argus x NSG...even if Giga opens up by going for Argus, he ain't going to be weakened at the end of it. Of course, NSG could do step by step killing, bit by bit...but what the hell. There's always the crystal-pwnin' earthquakes, which will distract NSG if even for a few moments, and I still think that Argus could snap at least a few bones with that Clothesline...

So, yeah, while NSG does have chances, such as eye-targeting...I consider those what-ifs, and vote against him. Argus has more chances to land fatal blows, unless NSG holds him for...ahh...whatever, because as stated he'll have a hell of a time getting through the "God protection" or whatever.

[lordnidhogg]

Quote:Just because you think SG is your most powerful monster doesn't mean he is.


Uhh... yeah, actually, it does.

*Looks at NSG, looks at own SG, Looks back at NSG, looks back at other SGs on the forum*

Umm...dude...if that's the logic you're fighting with...Argus wins. Because NSG isn't even the strongest SG, let alone the strongest kaiju. And even if you were just talking about this battle, it's not true. Argus at least matches him.

[Bio]

Quote:Quote:Just because you think SG is your most powerful monster doesn't mean he is.


Uhh... yeah, actually, it does.


*Looks at NSG, looks at own SG, Looks back at NSG, looks back at other SGs on the forum*

Umm...dude...if that's the logic you're fighting with...Argus wins. Because NSG isn't even the strongest SG, let alone the strongest kaiju. And even if you were just talking about this battle, it's not true. Argus at least matches him.

Actually, that's not even the main reason IR's dead wrong about that.
He THINKS NSG is his most powerful monster. He may have created him, but that doesn't make it true. Power level, unlike statistics, is quantified indirectly. He can give a monster impenetrable armor, insta-kill weaponry or any of that crap all he likes, but it's only through those factors that he has any control over how powerful his monsters are. He controls the factors, but not their sum.
And unfortunately for him, NSG's factor total dictates that he may very well not be his most powerful monster. I'd consider Scorpius or Gojulas Giga to be more suitable for that title.

[Inferno Rodan]

lordnidhogg said:

*Looks at NSG, looks at own SG, Looks back at NSG, looks back at other SGs on the forum*

Umm...dude...if that's the logic you're fighting with...Argus wins. Because NSG isn't even the strongest SG, let alone the strongest kaiju. And even if you were just talking about this battle, it's not true. Argus at least matches him.

Read what Bio said, lumpy. He said that just because I think NSG is the strongest of MY monsters, that doesn't mean he is.

[Monster Master]

And I declare KOTA over! Argus is now the winner! Yay @ me!