KOTA: Gojulas Giga vs. Rygama

[Monster Master]

Gojulas Giga

vs.

Rygama

Arena: Monster Island (DESTROY ALL MONSTERS variant)

[Logmon1]

... We already had tghis as a fight... GG wins.

[Bio]

We had it before with a semi-different Rygama incarnation and no clear winner ever deduced. Now state your reasons or begone.

[Logmon1]

bio said:

We had it before with a semi-different Rygama incarnation and no clear winner ever deduced. Now state your reasons or begone.

GG isn't really as bulcky as Raygama, allowing him to be a bit more agile in his attacks. While Ray may have a bigger arsenal and more raw power, she(?) can't really go toe-to-toe with GG, who will back off and use his ranged arsenal if things look bad.

Rays may be a beast in melee, but in ranged she isn't at such an obvious advantage.

[Bio]

GG isn't really as bulcky as Raygama, allowing him to be a bit more agile in his attacks

Ex-CUSE me? Gojulas Giga can barely bend his own knees. When reared up, he's only as agile as GMK Godzilla, and when in persuit mode, he's only moderately quick. Rygama is MUCH quicker than you're giving her credit for. She may be massive, but she's lean, strong and quick. She's also considerably more flexible and considerably stronger.

While Ray may have a bigger arsenal and more raw power, she(?) can't really go toe-to-toe with GG, who will back off and use his ranged arsenal if things look bad.

Actually, Ry has a rather small arsenal. Her natural weapons, siren's dance and thermal aura are her only offensive weapons.
But it doesn't change the fact that there is absolutely no bloody way Giga will be able to just back away and blow her away if things go wrong in melee. He's inflexible, he's bulky, and he's very restricted. If he brings his jaws into play, he can't very well use his tail, and vice versa. All Ry has to do is keep one occupied and keep the giga cannons off of her.

The cannons are the only considerable threat to her safety. The thunderstrike is dominantly a heat based weapon, the jaws/tail are incapable of working together(a quick look at the design is all one needs to figure that out), and Giga has no way of keeping Ry from advancing.

Add to it, if any weapon's going to get through that armor, it's Ry's claws and teeth.

[Inferno Rodan]

^ I see you have AGAIN forgotten the part where Giga nearly gutted Keizer Ghidorah with his tail blades while having his jaws around its middle neck.

Giga is FAR from inflexible. He's also just as effective at shredding things in T&C as Rygama, while at the same time being considerably more durable. And he's got her so far outclassed in ranged combat it's not even funny.

Giga is quite capable of matching Rygama in strength. He can easily shove around 450,000 tons. That means his maximum is much higher than that. And then there's his foot locks, which he makes great use of. With those engaged, it's impossible to topple him without overpowering his legs. And cosidering Rygama would lack the traction to accomplish that, Giga will be overpowering her before vice versa.

[Bio]

^ I see you have AGAIN forgotten the part where Giga nearly gutted Keizer Ghidorah with his tail blades while having his jaws around its middle neck.

That was more your own lack of attention to detail than anything. One glance at Gojulas Giga and it's plainly clear that he cannot use both weapons against the same target.

And he's got her so far outclassed in ranged combat it's not even funny.

Ya THINK? Ry doesn't even have any ranged weapons. This means that she'll make every effort to stay in melee.

Giga is quite capable of matching Rygama in strength. He can easily shove around 450,000 tons. That means his maximum is much higher than that. And then there's his foot locks, which he makes great use of. With those engaged, it's impossible to topple him without overpowering his legs. And cosidering Rygama would lack the traction to accomplish that, Giga will be overpowering her before vice versa.

Foot locks are only as powerful as the ground beneath them. Nothing's stopping Ry from uprooting him.

[Inferno Rodan]

bio said:

That was more your own lack of attention to detail than anything. One glance at Gojulas Giga and it's plainly clear that he cannot use both weapons against the same target.

So... wait... are you telling me how MY kaiju, which I created and know the workings and limits of better than anyone else, can bend?

Yeah, no. Giga is plenty flexible to use both on the same target. Deal with it.

Ya THINK? Ry doesn't even have any ranged weapons. This means that she'll make every effort to stay in melee.

Yeah, now that you've removed her Liquid Heat, which I wasn't aware you'd done...

And her making every effort to close the distance is a given. I'm not disputing that. But she's still gonna get nailed by the Giga Cannons before she DOES close the distance. And those things pack enough wallop to knock even her on her ass, not to mention do some nasty damage.

Foot locks are only as powerful as the ground beneath them. Nothing's stopping Ry from uprooting him.

'Cept the fact that I say it's impossible to uproot him, regardless of the ground beneath him. They held him firm in loose sand, they'll do so mud or pavement just as well.

Does this make sense? Not really, no. Does it matter? Not really, no. It works the way the creator says it works. Period. Take MM's Glorve for example. Glorve is a single, giant cell. Not a colony as you have said. Does it make sense? Nope. Does it matter? Nope, because that's how MM says it is. Only exception is if what's shown in the sample battles differs from what the creator says. THEN you have grounds to dispute it.

[Bio]

So... wait... are you telling me how MY kaiju, which I created and know the workings and limits of better than anyone else, can bend?

Yeah, no. Giga is plenty flexible to use both on the same target. Deal with it.

Calling him your creation is more than a bit of a stretch. You're using a design that makes it impossible for him to use both weapons at once. Now, you can sit down and explain to me how it works out that he can, or we can keep this up.

'Cept the fact that I say it's impossible to uproot him, regardless of the ground beneath him. They held him firm in loose sand, they'll do so mud or pavement just as well.

Does this make sense? Not really, no. Does it matter? Not really, no. It works the way the creator says it works. Period.

Not exactly something you've.... well, EVER considered when it doesn't work to your favor.
I said Megarelia's stomach is 100% inescapable without a heat based weapon, but did that stop you from defying the logic you're using now in order to secure a win for yourself? Not even a little bit.
Well now it's different. Now logic says that nothing is preventing Ry from ripping Giga out of the ground with ease, and you're just gonna have to deal with it.

Take MM's Glorve for example. Glorve is a single, giant cell. Not a colony as you have said. Does it make sense? Nope. Does it matter? Nope, because that's how MM says it is. Only exception is if what's shown in the sample battles differs from what the creator says. THEN you have grounds to dispute it.

Lemme make this real simple.

MM thinks the Blob was a single-celled entity. Naturally, he made his Blob-derived monster single celled as well.

If we were to prove the Blob was a multicelluar creature, then logically, MM would have to either change Glorve's origin slightly, or revise his wording to assume that Glorve is also multicellular.

[Monster Master]

MM thinks the Blob was a single-celled entity. Naturally, he made his Blob-derived monster single celled as well.

If we were to prove the Blob was a multicelluar creature, then logically, MM would have to either change Glorve's origin slightly, or revise his wording to assume that Glorve is also multicellular.

Blob itself being singled or multi-celled makes little difference in one's views. It's the fact that Glorve IS single-celled. That's the reason pieces of it can't grow into new Glorves and can only return to the main body or reform together.

[Bio]

Blob itself being singled or multi-celled makes little difference in one's views. It's the fact that Glorve IS single-celled. That's the reason pieces of it can't grow into new Glorves and can only return to the main body or reform together.

Well, I'll concede that that makes sense, then.

But the backbone of my original point stands.

[lordnidhogg]

Gojulas be bad, Gojulas be brutal, but nothing I've read between any of your bio's, battles, or arguments makes me think Rygama won't just open him like a tin can.

Methinks this battle lasts all of 30 seconds while Rygama flies straight at Giga with her arm extended and cuts him in two. True, she may get hit in the process, she may even be seriously hurt, but Giga won't be around to finish her.

[Inferno Rodan]

bio said:

Calling him your creation is more than a bit of a stretch. You're using a design that makes it impossible for him to use both weapons at once. Now, you can sit down and explain to me how it works out that he can, or we can keep this up.

What proof do you have that the anime or Battle Story versions of the Gojulas Giga aren't that flexible, hmm? You've openly admitted that you haven't seen the second half of Fuzors, and I very, VERY seriously doubt you've read the web comic.

But if you really want me to explain how he can do it, very well. Firstly, there's his tail. Each segment of his tail can bend 45 degrees in either direction. There are 5 joints in his tail. That alone is 225 degrees when they are all bent to their maximum; enough for him to stab himself in the side. Add in the flexibility of his torso and neck, and, well, you get the idea.

Not exactly something you've.... well, EVER considered when it doesn't work to your favor.
I said Megarelia's stomach is 100% inescapable without a heat based weapon, but did that stop you from defying the logic you're using now in order to secure a win for yourself? Not even a little bit.

Actually, you're the one who was ignoring what was stated in the bios.

Gojulas Giga's bio: "Jaws: Giga’s jaws are incredibly powerful, capable of rending even the toughest of flesh and metal."

Megarelia's bio: "While his throat and stomach lining are unbeleivably flexible, able to stretch over even jagged spines and similarly nasty weapons, it is not limitless. While penetrating it is nearly impossible, it's another matter to burn at the lining with a particularly potent heat based weapon."

Ability to rend even the toughest flesh > tough flesh.

Nidhogg:

Gojulas be bad, Gojulas be brutal, but nothing I've read between any of your bio's, battles, or arguments makes me think Rygama won't just open him like a tin can.

Methinks this battle lasts all of 30 seconds while Rygama flies straight at Giga with her arm extended and cuts him in two. True, she may get hit in the process, she may even be seriously hurt, but Giga won't be around to finish her.

Then you obviously didn't read very carefully. Note the part in Giga's bio where it says he can take a nuclear explosion at point-blank with essentially no damage, and the part in the demo battle where he cut King Caesar in two with a single swipe of his tail.

Giga's tail blades will be doing more damage in this battle than Ry's claws.

[Bio]

What proof do you have that the anime or Battle Story versions of the Gojulas Giga aren't that flexible, hmm? You've openly admitted that you haven't seen the second half of Fuzors, and I very, VERY seriously doubt you've read the web comic.

But if you really want me to explain how he can do it, very well. Firstly, there's his tail. Each segment of his tail can bend 45 degrees in either direction. There are 5 joints in his tail. That alone is 225 degrees when they are all bent to their maximum; enough for him to stab himself in the side. Add in the flexibility of his torso and neck, and, well, you get the idea.

I just went over the pics again. Yeah, the tail may be flexible, but it's too bloody short to use against an enemy that's right there in front of him. On Keizer Ghidorah, it's logical because it's 1. A larger creature and B. A multiheaded one.
Rygama, however, is different. She's a biped who'll be attacking Giga's front facing. Even if he can bend his neck, there's no way he'll be able to weild the tail with any amount of skill or precision, if he hopes to also use his jaws.
Yeah, if he wanted to, he could stab his own side. Unfortunately for him, that's about as far forward as that thing's gonna come.

Actually, you're the one who was ignoring what was stated in the bios.

Gojulas Giga's bio: "Jaws: Giga’s jaws are incredibly powerful, capable of rending even the toughest of flesh and metal."

Megarelia's bio: "While his throat and stomach lining are unbeleivably flexible, able to stretch over even jagged spines and similarly nasty weapons, it is not limitless. While penetrating it is nearly impossible, it's another matter to burn at the lining with a particularly potent heat based weapon."

Ability to rend even the toughest flesh > tough flesh.

When I stated it wasn't limitless, I was referring to its vulnerability to heat. You're simply interpreting it the way you want to because it suits you.
The kinetic durability of his stomach lining IS limitless, because it was able to prevent Rygama's claws - which can penetrate anything - from penetrating it.

Something that can prevent itself from being penetrated, even by something that can penetrate anything > something that can rend anything.

Don't argue with on that, kid. I know what I wrote.

Then you obviously didn't read very carefully. Note the part in Giga's bio where it says he can take a nuclear explosion at point-blank with essentially no damage, and the part in the demo battle where he cut King Caesar in two with a single swipe of his tail.

Giga's tail blades will be doing more damage in this battle than Ry's claws.

Maybe you weren't here the last twenty or so times I pointed out Ry's claws can penetrate anything.

Rygama's claws have penetrating ability equal to or greater than Gojulas' tail blades. The difference between them is that Giga's tail blades are A. Smaller, and 2. Less numerous.
Need I point out how bloody puny they are?

Nidds brings up a good point. If Rygama were to charge Giga head on and get a good slice with her claws, that's really all she'd need to carve him wide open.

[Omegarex24]

I sincerely doubt that Ry could peel the Giga like a tin can. For one thing, the Giga is almost completely covered in armor, especially around the torso and facial regions, which is where Ry is most likely going to targeting in a first strike.

The Giga can hit her with those Giga Cannons at a range, and despite her incredible bulk, Ry stands a very good chance of getting blasted to her ass, not to mention having huge craters blown into her body. And her regeneration takes minutes ot fully heal a wound. The Giga can fire off several more rounds in said minute.

Also, the Giga's armor seems quite useful for deflecting slashing damage like Ry's claws can deal. For one thing, if a strong person were to take a steel sword, and attempt to simply cut in strokes through an iron bar, he wouldn't have much luck. If you take a chainsaw or similar weapon, you could shred though it a lot easier. And forget stabbing through it. Since Ry's claws would primarily deal slashing and stabbing damage, she'd have a very hard time busting through that armor.

That said, the Giga can take this. He can blast her at a range, and match her for melee abilities, plus his thick armor offers a lot of protection against the damage Ry typically deals.

Also, I suppose for future refernce, I'm going to make this statement. I think that saying that "so and so can penetrate anything", or "this can block anything" in the case of physical weaponry and armor, seems really ridiculous. Everything has it's limitations, save for singularity based weaponry. Ry's claws would have to be of a hardness equal to or greater than the hardness of the Gojulas' armor in order to even damage them. I'm not saying they aren't, and given her dense body structure, having a hard and dense claw for a weapon seems reasonable, so she could cut the armor. But this "peeling him like a tin can" bit is just nonsense. Even a diamond can't shred another diamond when used to simply trying to cut through it. A diamond tipped chainsaw would have better results.

Of course, the same doesn't hld true for most energized weaponry, like vibro blades and plasma swords, as they tend to either tear things apart at a molecular level, or are so hot, they melt the armor as they pass through.