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Post by Monster Master on Sept 7, 2007 0:42:55 GMT -5
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Post by Bio on Sept 7, 2007 8:20:36 GMT -5
Hmm... well, the main things in Rygama's favor here would be her affinity for edged weapons, her cold environment and the fact that once scaled up, she is actually faster in the air than Darktide. It also helps her that her ability to phase through heat is actually played here. Being quicker in the air, and probably just as maneuverable, Rygama no longer has much stopping her from rapidly closing the distance to Darktide, where her melee abilities come into play. Formidable, though may be the machine's heat sheilding, Rygama doesn't work like that.
The only thing really in her way is Darktide's sheer firepower, but if anyone can take it, it's her. Especially with her new heat cloak.
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Post by Omegarex24 on Sept 7, 2007 11:15:11 GMT -5
^I'd just like to point out that a cold environment has no adverseeffects on Darktide. Concentrated freezer attacks like the SX3's maser, or Barugon's Ice Mist do, but not simply fighting in a cold arena, as he isperfectly capable of fighting in the vaccuum of space with no adverse effects.
Anywho...
Melee with Darktide isn't always the brigtest idea. That Plasma Cutter of his, even with Rygama's heat phasing, doesn't face resistance when he uses it against a target, even one as densely packed as Rygama. It's like a lightsaber and has quite the reach as well. Not to mention that unless Ry is stabbing, rather than slashing, she's not going to be doing damage like she usually would. The NXT outer sheath comes in handy like that. And the Liquid Heat and Thermal Aura are largely usesless, again, due to the NXT.
Darktide's cloaking comes in quite handy here, as it does shield him from ry's X-ray vision, which could give him the time to offload the Impact Cannons into her chest or something. She may be faster in the air (how something that ridiculously large can move that freakin' fast is beyond me), and easily just as maneuverable, but Darktide can hold his own in an aerial dogfight, mostly because he can track Ry's movements and adjust accordingly.
He's still going to have it tough, but even Ry's going to have some trouble if she's missing alimb or two, and has the muscles in her arms turned to jelly.
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Post by Bio on Sept 7, 2007 11:38:30 GMT -5
Few things are colder than the vaccume of space, so I don't see how one could possibly consider that a weakness.
Darktide has a couple plasma blades. Rygama has claws the size of scaled up short swords, jaws that rival Gojulas' and an instinct to maul like no other. Regardless of how powerful the blade is, it will be slowed down if it tries to move through her flesh. And for every blow Darktide lands in melee, Ry will land three more.
Sooo... what's stopping her from stabbing, then?
Bah! Ranged attacks are for sissies. Rygama would not at all be adversely affected were her heat beam completely removed. She's a melee fighter, she's going to spend the battle engaged in melee, and she's going to do the most damage in melee. I question whether she'd even normally fire off a shot.
Rygama sees on a completely different spectrum from you or I. A quick look at her bio reveals that I modified her X-ray vision to an entire brief analysis of how she sees, some time ago. She registers light, yes, but she also registers sound and electrical impulses through her eyes. I doubt the cloaking will make any difference.
Ry's a big girl, meaning she has a lot of momentum. The real question is, how can Darktide move through the air that fast? His form is considerably more cumbersome. Darktide has thrusters, Ry has air ionization and sheer wing power.
Darktide may be able to track her movements, but the point stands, Ry is quicker and at least as maneuverable. He can try and dodge her, but she can turn just as quickly as him. There's very little he cand o to avoid a clsoe quarters battle here.
If anyone can hold their own against this dude, it's Rygama. You have to consider that Ry is two and a half monsters worth of mass crammed together. That means that something passing through her flesh is going to have two and a half times more trouble than it ordinarily would.
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Post by Omegarex24 on Sept 7, 2007 15:11:46 GMT -5
Technically, I didn't put a whole lot of thought into that one, as it just seemed reasonable to have a mech, who's power source requires a lot of heat to function, be weak against concentrated freezer attacks. But I still needed him to be able to multi-role, hence why freezer masers have an adverse effect, yet he can fight in the arctic, space, etc.
1. Slashing with those claws won't hurt Darktide nearly as much as you'd like. 2. Crushing armor, would, again, not have nearly the effect you'd like it to have. 3. That Plasma Cutter is like a freakin' longsword compared to your short swords. 4. Darktide has a pair of nigh unbreakable shields. Ry would have to pound at them for awhile t shut them down.
I'll admit that Ry is designed to dominate in melee. But Darktide can hold his own. And with weapons that work well in close range (i.e. Harmonics Disruptor, Plasma Cutter, etc), he stands a much better chance than the Mk. I.
From what I can tell, Ry fights by slashing and crushing her foes, rather than stabbing at them. But, you are the expert.
It wasn't an issue of whether or not she actually makes use of these abilities, just simply that using them wouldn't be to her advantage.
And ranged attacks come in quite handy. I question Ry's ability to dodge a near lightspeed CPC-esque weapon, or a trio of highly explosive projectiles that travel at nearly 8 times her maximum flightspeed.
Not against her hearing perhaps, but it does block out pretty much every visual and non-visual scanning tool known, which would include infra-red, electro-magnetic, ultra-violet, X-rays, etc. The cloaking will help some. Maybe not as much as I'd like to think, but it will help.
There's a reason why jet fighters go faster than birds. Darktide has a lot of booster engines needed to give him that kind of lift, and a nigh unlimited source of fuel to power them.
Maybe so, but like I said earlier, he can old his own, and in the process of closing in, she risks getting blasted by the Impact Cannons, which are designed to pierce a target, even one so densly packed as Ry, and explode with the force of a small nuke. Granted he has ammo concerns with that one, but what he does shoot off can hurt her alot.
Again, I don't doubt that. But the Plasma Cutter is still going to carve her up, even if he has to slice it through her shoulder a few times. And the Harmonics Disruptor could do all kinds of bad things to her muscles. She still needs all that muscle mass, and if it's turned to jelly, then it's largely useless, as is whatever appendage it's attached too.
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Post by Bio on Sept 7, 2007 15:30:59 GMT -5
At the very least, being immersed in the arctic waters would surely do something to play on that weakness.
Ry is as smart as you or I. She adapts her strategy to better suit a particular opponent. If slashing doesn't carve him up immediately, she'll resort to stabbing.
SISSIES!!
I'll admit that that's feasible, but how does it operate? Yes it blocks the signals from reaching the mechanisms of a manmade device, but this is an organism that constantly emits and percieves energy around it(I refer, of course, to her brain, which essentially also serves as her eyes). Would what works for an infrared scanner also work for her receptive abilities?
Well, first and foremost, jet fighters are a LOT bigger than birds.
But are they its main weapons? If not, there's a good chance of it opening up with an energy weapon, which would quickly turn ugly.
Don't underestimate Ry's weaponry. Darktide's bio states that it's vulnerable to piercing weapons. A slash from those claws is hardly different from a stab, save that it's got slightly less force behind it. However, I can prettymuch guarantee a close quarters slash from her has comparible, if not superior force to the examples of weapons that would damage it listed in the bio.
That, and Ry's jaws can crunch most any material. Diamond included.
In many ways, a short sword is superior to a longsword. Leverage, mainly.
I question how they would hold up to her talons. That, and they're pretty small. Ry's no stranger to throwing a dirty little blow between the chinks in armor when the need arises.
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Post by Omegarex24 on Sept 7, 2007 18:15:26 GMT -5
That might, yes.
I'm not all that well versed in the stuff I make up. Mostly though, I would assume that Ry's brain would function similar to the mechanical devices, like how a video camera works a lot like a human eye. So yes, it does strike me as reasonable to assume Ry couldn't see him. Hear him, yes, but not see him.
The point was the engines, as a bird of comparable size probably couldn't propel himself at mach speeds.
Yes, they are his opener attack, as they give no visual signs of charging and they smash through armor and the like, so as to soften up a foe.
The difference is that a slash from a sword tends to disperse the force along the blade. Piercing strikes focus all that raw power on a small point. The NXT disperses all that already weakened force, but it is also quite dense and tough, which brings us to the next point...
NXT is NOT a diamond. It is a synthetic compound designed after diamonds that uses a much thicker chain of carbon atoms for enhanced toughness, hardness, durability, etc. That, and it is stated in the bio that it reduces the power of crushing attacks by 85%. Ry doesn't have infinite crushing power. She has a lot of it, but it loses much of it's effectiveness all the same.
Mostly I was just talking about the range.
Darktide's Barrier Fields are energy shields that are 50 meters in diameter, centered around the crystal units on his wrists. They're big enough to effectively block Ry's strikes at close range, and big enough to generally protect Darktide from most ranged assaults as well. And getting into chinks int he armor isn't likely. Short of ripping something free, all of Darktide's frame is coated with that NXT layer, with a liquid crystal varient applied to the joints (do not ask me how that works. It's fiction after all), even the intake vents, so he's very well protected.
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Post by Bio on Sept 7, 2007 19:40:28 GMT -5
Some species probably could. Peregrine falcon, among others.
Well, I'd imagine they would be its most effective weapon against her, but they don't strike me as sufficient to take her down before it's too late.
When it comes to Ry, that's really not going to matter a whole lot.
Rygama's claws and teeth operate based on a similar substance. This, and 15% of her bite strength is still insanely strong. I still have a hard time believing that it'll hold up as long as it needs to.
Keep in mind, Gojulas' bite strength is also finite.
50 meter sheilds over a 120 meter body. Plenty of room. I wasn't referring to the gaps in the armor, I was referring to the gaps between the sheilds. I've no doubt in her ability to penetrate the armor itself.
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Post by Inferno Rodan on Sept 8, 2007 10:23:40 GMT -5
Some species probably could. Peregrine falcon, among others. 'Course, Peregrine falcons don't reach their top speed under their own power. Anywho... this will be one helluva match. Darktide, obviously, has the advantage at range. And, while not as fast as Rygama, Darktide is likely more maneuverable. The Gundams from GW are insane like that. In the long run, Rygama has Darktide outdone in melee, moreso from her ability to soak up damage than anything else. However, I think the real deciding factor here is the Harmonics Disruptor. That thing is nasty. And despite her insane toughness, getting the mucles in her limbs turned to Jell-O won't be beneficial to Rygama. Yeah, she'll be able to heal them after several minutes, but that's still several minutes.
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