KOTA: Megarelia vs. Gojulas Giga

[Bio]

He'd better not be, considering his massive size is one of his attributes. Properly scaled, he's that freakin' huge.

Maybe I wasn't clear when I stated that he was custom made for bozos like Giga. The only way for a snake to survive like that is if it were HUGE. Megarelia is naturally that large, and if you think any sort of scaling down is reasonable, then you and I are gonna have a little talk.

For future reference, folks.



^ That's actually Steve's Osteothon, not Megarelia, but close enough.

Yeah... even if Megarelia's flesh was made of pudding, Giga wouldn't be able to drive those blades or jaws deep enough into his body to be lethal.

[Inferno Rodan]

bio said:

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Yeah, no way in hell will I allow something like that to go unscaled. Might as well allow MM's Orochi in if I did. From this point on the length cap is 600 meters.

[Monster Master]

Well.. believe it or not.. I find this match one of the more interesting and hard-to-decide fights in Round 1.. And reading through Megarelia's bio and sample fight.. and know full well what the Gojulas Giga can do..

Sorry IR, but I have to hand it to Megarelia. Now I won't vote just yet, 'cause I'm still on the fence, but I'm falling toward Megarelia.

Even scaled to 600 meters, a giant snake would have enormous crushing power, with or without the huge jaws. And judging from the picture scale, 600 meters is still a whooping huge size compared to Gojulas Giga..

And if the snake was smart enough to rip off Rygama's arms like Bio said, there's no reason to believe he couldn't and wouldn't do that to Giga's cannons, be they built in, screwed in, or embedded in.

Even scaled down to 600 meters, I see it hard for Giga to get his jaws clamped down, but if the Organoid System can use its weapons effectively, he can pull out a win.. The only true way I see this is some VERY keen targeting on Megarelia's eyes.

Now IR.. Don't go ripping this post apart. I didn't vote just yet, but looking at both kaiju.. Megarelia seems fit to take Giga down.

[Bio]

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Yeah, no way in hell will I allow something like that to go unscaled. Might as well allow MM's Orochi in if I did. From this point on the length cap is 600 meters.

Yeah, that's just cheating. Megarelia's a natural animal with no bizarre abilities, no non-physical weaponry, nothing really going for him but his size. He's designed to tower over his opponents, just like Biollante. Using that picture, he IS scaled, because that's naturally how big he is in relation to the others.

The fact that Rygama - who is more or less on par with Giga - could best Megarelia and possibly win is proof enough that with its current size, Megarelia is perfectly reasonable.

You do NOT cut a monster's length nearly in half just because you don't like how it relates to the others. Imbalancing the scale like that is not only cheating to give yourself an unfair advantage, it's illogical.

[Omegarex24]

Bio, even at their current sizes, The Giga's jaws look like they could get a very good grip on Mega's body (I know that's not technically Megarelia, but you said it would do for comparison purposes). And those eyes strike me as being very vulnerable. Snakes have no eyelids, and i don't recall seeing anything to the contrary in Mega's bio. And if anyone could get a powerful projectile weapon into those eyes, it would be someone like the Giga, given his computer assisted targeting systems.

And even in snake skulls, there's not a whole lot between the brain cavity and the eye sockets. A few shots to the face like that would likely cripple Megarelia, if not kill him outright.

And with a target as large as Megarelia, missing in not likely.

[Bio]

Bio, even at their current sizes, The Giga's jaws look like they could get a very good grip on Mega's body (I know that's not technically Megarelia, but you said it would do for comparison purposes).

I think you might wanna look again. Unless Giga's jaws can pop out of place, it won't be able to do much more than pinch some skin off in its mouth.

Not only is the diameter of the bulk of Megarelia's body bigger than Giga's jaws, but most of that is muscle.

And those eyes strike me as being very vulnerable. Snakes have no eyelids, and i don't recall seeing anything to the contrary in Mega's bio.

That's actually an advantage. Eyelids offer no protection. Snakes, on the other hand, have protective scales over their eyes. I doubt that'd be much defense against the giga cannons, but I have to point out that it's still more of an advantage than a disadvantage.

And with a target as large as Megarelia, missing in not likely.

Megarelia is a VERY large creature, who's head makes up about 5% of its body mass. It's not all that huge a target, especially with Megarelia's serpentine reflexes, and the fact that we're talking about just the head.

[Inferno Rodan]

bio said:

Yeah, that's just cheating.

Hardly. Comparatively speaking, Megarelia is to Heisei Godzilla what a 60-foot snake would be to a human.

Megarelia's a natural animal with no bizarre abilities, no non-physical weaponry, nothing really going for him but his size.

What happened to that impenetrable armor and stomach lining?

I think you might wanna look again. Unless Giga's jaws can pop out of place, it won't be able to do much more than pinch some skin off in its mouth.

Considering Giga's jaws are MUCH larger than Ryama's and he can open them nearly 90 degrees, getting them around all but the fattest part of the snake's body won't be much of an issue.

Megarelia is a VERY large creature, who's head makes up about 5% of its body mass. It's not all that huge a target, especially with Megarelia's serpentine reflexes, and the fact that we're talking about just the head.

Something the size of a kaiju's torso is hardly a small target, Bio.

And again, Megarelia can swallow Giga all he wants. Giga is more than capable of crushing its spine through the lining of its esophagous/stomach. Or Ramming his blades through the roof of its mouth on the way down.

[Bio]

Hardly. Comparatively speaking, Megarelia is to Heisei Godzilla what a 60-foot snake would be to a human.

Which is exactly what he's supposed to be.

And if you're so confident in Giga's ability to win, then you're in no position to tell me that Megarelia's size is unreasonable.

What happened to that impenetrable armor and stomach lining?

A 30 foot snake can't swallow a kicking, armored human alive. A 60 footer can.

Considering Giga's jaws are MUCH larger than Ryama's and he can open them nearly 90 degrees, getting them around all but the fattest part of the snake's body won't be much of an issue.

Course, then leverage becomes an issue...

Something the size of a kaiju's torso is hardly a small target, Bio.

When it's mounted on a giant snake's neck, it is.

And again, Megarelia can swallow Giga all he wants. Giga is more than capable of crushing its spine through the lining of its esophagous/stomach. Or Ramming his blades through the roof of its mouth on the way down.

The roof of his mouth is the same as his esophageal lining is the same as his stomach lining.

And, snakes have ribs, you know. Said ribs would block Giga's snout from fitting around the spine.

[Omegarex24]

A 30 foot snake can't swallow a kicking, armored human alive. A 60 footer can.

Armored humans don't have giant cannons on their back, the ability to discharge massive amounts of electricity, or crushing jaws either.

Course, then leverage becomes an issue...

Hydraulics and machinery to close the jaws, and those arms could dig into the skin on the flanks to produce the needed leverage. Megarelia's flanks don't have the armor, so even the Giga's arms could clamp down on some flesh and give him the needed leverage.

When it's mounted on a giant snake's neck, it is.

Not for something like the Giga Cannons.

The roof of his mouth is the same as his esophageal lining is the same as his stomach lining.

And, snakes have ribs, you know. Said ribs would block Giga's snout from fitting around the spine.

You know, I could be wrong about this, but snakes don't have strong ribs, just a lot of them. Even Megarelia wouldn't be much of an exception, because I don't recall anything about general bone strength in there. Snake ribs are designed to expand with the lining of their stomach so they can swallow large prey, so once Giga tears through the lining, it wouldn't be that hard to get hsi jaws around the spine. Or crunch a few ribs as needed to get him the room necessary.

[Inferno Rodan]

bio said:

And if you're so confident in Giga's ability to win, then you're in no position to tell me that Megarelia's size is unreasonable.

I also happen to be confident that NSG could defeat MM's 10-mile-long Orochi. But that doesn't stop a creature of such dimensions being unreasonably large.

Course, then leverage becomes an issue...

They can crush anything they get ahold of. Leverage is never an issue.

When it's mounted on a giant snake's neck, it is.

No, actually, it isn't... An 80 x 100 foot target is still an 80 x 100 foot target, regardless of what it's attached to.

The roof of his mouth is the same as his esophageal lining is the same as his stomach lining.

Funny how that isn't listed in the bio.

And, snakes have ribs, you know. Said ribs would block Giga's snout from fitting around the spine.

Besides the fact that much of the spine hangs below the ribs, Giga is fully capable of snapping those puny ribs with his jaws.

And this is again humoring you by playing along with your little "impenetrable stomach lining" thing.

[Bio]

They can crush anything they get ahold of. Leverage is never an issue.

Point remains, they won't have much flesh inside them when they do close.

No, actually, it isn't... An 80 x 100 foot target is still an 80 x 100 foot target, regardless of what it's attached to.

Closed minded thinking like that is the reason the Toho SDF is so incompetant.
Megarelia's head is a relatively small target mounted on an extremely quick and agile appendage.

Funny how that isn't listed in the bio.

Considering how much you love ignoring what is blatantly stated in the bio, for all you care, I could say Megarelia is armed with a scaled up mega-smasher capable of disintigrating the moon, andyou'd have to accept it.

Besides the fact that much of the spine hangs below the ribs, Giga is fully capable of snapping those puny ribs with his jaws.

I'm gonna point out that Megarelia's spine is armored. Now, what are these armored plates attached to?
Vertibrae, lumpy, vertibrae!

In other words, the spine is akin to a segmented turtle's shell. That is to say, each plate is merged with each vertibra into a single fused mass.
This means that not only is there considerably less mass hanging down from the center of the spine, but it's composed of the same material as the scutes, which I stress, Giga can NOT crush.

And this is again humoring you by playing along with your little "impenetrable stomach lining" thing.

IR, it's IN THE FREAKING BIO! Get off your high horse, quit being a hypocrite and either accept your own logic as canon, or stfu.

I also happen to be confident that NSG could defeat MM's 10-mile-long Orochi. But that doesn't stop a creature of such dimensions being unreasonably large.

If it's not unbeatable then what's so damn unreasonable about it?

so once Giga tears through the lining, it wouldn't be that hard to get hsi jaws around the spine.

I'm sorry? Did I forget to mention?

[glow=red,2,300]GOJULAS GIGA CANNOT TEAR THROUGH MEGARELIA'S STOMACH LINING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!![/glow]

[Inferno Rodan]

bio said:

Point remains, they won't have much flesh inside them when they do close.

Oh yes they would. Think about it. Jaws THAT big, opening close to 90 degrees. Giga could wrap his jaws around a significant amount of flesh.

Not that it matters, since he's gonna go for a crippling/killing spine bite if at all possible.

Closed minded thinking like that is the reason the Toho SDF is so incompetant.
Megarelia's head is a relatively small target mounted on an extremely quick and agile appendage.

Bio, Gojulas Giga could nail Hyper Gyaos from miles away. He will have no trouble at all nailing a target nearly as large as a Hyper Gyaos at close range. Not to mention Megarelia made no attempt to avoid any of Rygama's attacks, so there's no reason to believe he'll do so against Giga.

Considering how much you love ignoring what is blatantly stated in the bio, for all you care, I could say Megarelia is armed with a scaled up mega-smasher capable of disintigrating the moon, andyou'd have to accept it.

There's nothing to ignore about it. Megarelia's mouth being as tough as its esophagus/stomach isn't mentioned anywhere.

While his throat and stomach lining are unbeleivably flexible, able to stretch over even jagged spines and similarly nasty weapons, it is not limitless.

No mention of his mouth there.

I'm gonna point out that Megarelia's spine is armored. Now, what are these armored plates attached to?
Vertibrae, lumpy, vertibrae!

In other words, the spine is akin to a segmented turtle's shell. That is to say, each plate is merged with each vertibra into a single fused mass.
This means that not only is there considerably less mass hanging down from the center of the spine, but it's composed of the same material as the scutes, which I stress, Giga can NOT crush.

If the armor plates are fused to his vertebrae, that would severely hinder his flexibility.

And yes, Giga CAN crush that armor. As much as you don't want to accept it, his jaws are stronger than Rygama's.

IR, it's IN THE FREAKING BIO! Get off your high horse, quit being a hypocrite and either accept your own logic as canon, or stfu.

While penetrating it is nearly impossible, it's another matter to burn at the lining with a particularly potent heat based weapon.

Note the bold. That means it can still be penetrated. That means Giga's teeth can puncture it.

Wow... not knowing what's in your own kaiju's bio. That's pretty sad...

If it's not unbeatable then what's so damn unreasonable about it?

A kaiju's overall strength can be toned down for Arena matches. But toning down strength has no effect on size.

And Giga is capable of defeating Megarelia because, as much as it may piss you off, he is very well suited to do so.

I'm sorry? Did I forget to mention?

[glow=red,2,300]GOJULAS GIGA CANNOT TEAR THROUGH MEGARELIA'S STOMACH LINING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!![/glow]

"While penetrating it is nearly impossible..."

Yes he can.

[Bio]

Not that it matters, since he's gonna go for a crippling/killing spine bite if at all possible.

Rygama's jaws are as strong as Gojulas Giga's, because they can crush anything inside them.
Rygama failed to crush Megarelia's plates.
Shut up and deal with it.

Not that it matters, since he's gonna go for a crippling/killing spine bite if at all possible.

Which is very much impossible, because unlike you, I actually think about the nature of my monsters. Megarelia's body is SPECI-f**kING-CALLY designed to deal with this sort of enemy.

There's nothing to ignore about it. Megarelia's mouth being as tough as its esophagus/stomach isn't mentioned anywhere.

It's all the same skin and lining.

If the armor plates are fused to his vertebrae, that would severely hinder his flexibility.

No it wouldn't. At all.

And yes, Giga CAN crush that armor. As much as you don't want to accept it, his jaws are stronger than Rygama's.

No he can't. And you know what? No matter how delusional you are about that 'creation' of yours, nothing you can say or do will ever change the fact that this particular incarnation of someone else's design wouldn't be capable of crushing Megarelia's spine. Just all there is to it.

Your cockiness isn't going to save 'your' monster here.

Note the bold. That means it can still be penetrated.

They can be penetrated through intense heat. Nothing else. I thought that PAINFULLY clear when Rygama's claws failed to puncture it. No matter how big your ego is, Megarelia's stomach can contain it.

Megarelia's stomach can NOT be torn out of. PERIOD.

That means Giga's teeth can puncture it.

No, that means a monster with a more competent, concentrated heat beam could burn throuh it.

Before your high horse gains a few more stories, let me point out that the thunder strike isn't the kind of concentrated burning impliment he would need here.

"While penetrating it is nearly impossible..."

Yes he can.

When I designed Megarelia, I was thinking of Gojulas Giga. Maybe I didn't make this clear, but Megarelia is CUSTOM made specifically for Gojulas Giga and Rygama. No one else. Oh no, I didn't bother to think of how he'd hold up against anyone else. Just Ry and Giga.

Megarelia's stomach is SPECIFICALLY designed to contain Gojulas Giga. Am I making myself clear?

A kaiju's overall strength can be toned down for Arena matches. But toning down strength has no effect on size.

And yet size has an effect on power...

Nope. Won't accept it. You keep telling me Megarelia's too large for the game, yet that your monsters could beat him. It's hypocritical, it's a contradiction, and it's just plain low.

And Giga is capable of defeating Megarelia because, as much as it may piss you off, he is very well suited to do so.

Nope. Megarelia's specifically designed for Giga, that walking plagerism couldn't be less suited for Megarelia.

[Inferno Rodan]

bio said:

Rygama's jaws are as strong as Gojulas Giga's, because they can crush anything inside them.
Rygama failed to crush Megarelia's plates.
Shut up and deal with it.

Wait... is that... yes, I believe it is... that's a contradiction. If Rygama's jaws could crush anything, they would have crushed Megarelia's plates.

Which is very much impossible, because unlike you, I actually think about the nature of my monsters. Megarelia's body is SPECI-f**kING-CALLY designed to deal with this sort of enemy.

Well then, looks like Megarelia fails at what he was designed to do. That's pretty sad.

It's all the same skin and lining.

The skin on my feet is the same as the skin on my arm, but that doesn't mean my arm is anywhere near as tough as my feet.

No it wouldn't. At all.

Yeah, actually, it would. If Megarelia's plates are anywhere near the size of Osteothon's, and are fused with his vertebrae, that would mean a good 2-3 vertebrae are fused together per plate.

No he can't. And you know what? No matter how delusional you are about that 'creation' of yours, nothing you can say or do will ever change the fact that this particular incarnation of someone else's design wouldn't be capable of crushing Megarelia's spine. Just all there is to it.

Despite the fact that it explicitly states in Giga's bio that his jaws can rend ANY flesh or armor. That includes your uber-snake.

Your cockiness isn't going to save 'your' monster here.

Actually, judging by the votes, yeah it will. LOL.

They can be penetrated through intense heat. Nothing else. I thought that PAINFULLY clear when Rygama's claws failed to puncture it. No matter how big your ego is, Megarelia's stomach can contain it.

Uh-huh. The wording in the description certainly doesn't suggest that.

Megarelia's stomach can NOT be torn out of. PERIOD.

'Cept by Giga and his uber-jaws of doom.

No, that means a monster with a more competent, concentrated heat beam could burn throuh it.

Before your high horse gains a few more stories, let me point out that the thunder strike isn't the kind of concentrated burning impliment he would need here.

Billions of volts... 50,000 degrees... focused into a tiny point... Sounds like it would work just dandy to me.

When I designed Megarelia, I was thinking of Gojulas Giga. Maybe I didn't make this clear, but Megarelia is CUSTOM made specifically for Gojulas Giga and Rygama. No one else. Oh no, I didn't bother to think of how he'd hold up against anyone else. Just Ry and Giga.

Megarelia's stomach is SPECIFICALLY designed to contain Gojulas Giga. Am I making myself clear?

Crystal.

But that doesn't mean he can't tear out of it.

And yet size has an effect on power...

Nope. Won't accept it. You keep telling me Megarelia's too large for the game, yet that your monsters could beat him. It's hypocritical, it's a contradiction, and it's just plain low.

Ugh. If you're gonna bitch and moan about it like a little brat, I'll allow it. Jesus.

Nope. Megarelia's specifically designed for Giga, that walking plagerism couldn't be less suited for Megarelia.

Capable of crushing its spine with a single bite, having a shape that makes him nigh-impossible to swallow without removing his cannons, capable of ramming a pair of blades through its brain in the event that he somehow does get swallowed, capable of ripping his way out of its stomach in the event that he is both swallowed and fails to put his tail blades through its brain... yep, sounds like he's quite well suited for countering it to me.

And you're in no position to call my kaiju plagiarisms, bub. A four-armed Kamacuras? A giant snake with armor plates? An Eva wannabe?

Although I must say I find it quite hilarious that you made a kaiju specifically to defeat a single one of mine, regardless of how effective you were in doing so. Do you hate the Gojulas Giga THAT much? Do you have THAT little of a life?

[Bio]

Wait... is that... yes, I believe it is... that's a contradiction. If Rygama's jaws could crush anything, they would have crushed Megarelia's plates.

Same way Rygama's claws can penetrate anything but failed to penetrate the stomach lining.

And you're in no position to call my kaiju plagiarisms, bub. A four-armed Kamacuras? A giant snake with armor plates? An Eva wannabe?

Point is, with the exception of Kamacuras, who was simply an experiment, they're my creations. I have no problem with adopting a few canon monsters to a game, but all of your monsters being overblown versions of existing ones? Well, I WILL give you Suchodon..

Btw, the word you're looking for is 'Guyver-wannabe'. And that was the only monster of mine you listed that was even part of mainstream canon.

Although I must say I find it quite hilarious that you made a kaiju specifically to defeat a single one of mine, regardless of how effective you were in doing so. Do you hate the Gojulas Giga THAT much? Do you have THAT little of a life?

Not quite. Once again, you fail to understand my point.
Two creatures came up when I created Megarelia. Both walking can-openers, named Gojulas Giga and Rygama. He was intended to battle Rygama, but the intent was a creature that was little more than a giant, prehistoric snake, but also one that would be able to pose a considerable danger to walking masses of weaponry - like Rygama or Gojulas Giga.

Yeah, actually, it would. If Megarelia's plates are anywhere near the size of Osteothon's, and are fused with his vertebrae, that would mean a good 2-3 vertebrae are fused together per plate.

Well they're not. They're much shorter, much thicker than Osteothon's. I was only using the Osteothon picture as an example because it was an easily reachable depiction of a snake in full body.


In any case, I'm sorry about losing it last night.