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Post by Monster Master on Aug 31, 2007 16:12:03 GMT -5
Argus' hide is BETTER THAN RYGAMA'S. The moment Rygama is plowed through the Earth and survives a fall from space (above the atmosphere) without a scratch, I'll say otherwise.
Until then, Argus' hide is well made to take on any form of weaponry and keep on going. The best type of enemy to face Argus would be a psychic opponent since he has no defense against those sorts of attacks.
He handled Darklore just fine. Darklore had spears and that nasty mace. He's perfectly adapted to face any threat that doesn't use psychic attacks.
If Harpy is the Guyver of kaiju, than Argus is the Silver Age Superman, and Guyver's weapons wouldn't do that to Supes.
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Post by †KaneLocke† on Aug 31, 2007 16:15:15 GMT -5
Uh, yeah they are. Know why? Because they're GOOD mortal weapons. They drove through Ry's armor plated skull like nothing, severed her bicep and momentarily destroyed the connective tissue between her jaws with a grazing blow. They are freaking NASTY! ... Good for them. Now whats your point? Bullsh*t, he's not. This is HIS kind of enemy. A speedy melee fighter. Argus is PURE melee, and is one of the single most powerful kaiju in the Arena. He's almost as uber as Clint's Bagan. No to the first, no to the third, and no to the fifth. That is to say, NO, it will not take a lot of hits to take down. Not from Argus. It is NOT strong, not standing next to Argus, and its weapons cannot and will not carve Argus apart. Harpy has to get in close to use its blades. When it does, it will have the opportunity to hit Argus and run. Hit-and-run is NOT going to do SQUAT to a tank like Argus. That is, if Argus doesn't just grab the blades and crush them in the midst of an attack... Argus is a GOD. Physically speaking, NO other kaiju matches up. |
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Post by Bio on Aug 31, 2007 16:29:59 GMT -5
Not her skull. That was kinda the point. Cheap and lame natured weapons? No, Harpy fits the bill just fine. Even silver age supes can't handle vibro-blades. Harpy's blades are very similar to vibro-blades. Rygama's skull is about as tough as Argus' armor and her muscular bulk is superior in resiliance, is my point. Uh, lessee, an enemy that is just as strong as Argus, tough enough to take hits from him, and a helluvalot speedier, plus with weapons that would rip him apart... Yes it will.  Um, is there a nice way to say "f**k yes he is! "? Can, will, and are going to. And Argus has to get close to use his strength. Strength, I might add, that Harpy equals him in. Uh, yeah, it is, because Harpy can A. Evade Argus quite easily, and B. HURT Argus quite nicely. You're prettymuch just grasping at straws here, seeing as how your entire argument consists of glorifying Argus, when in fact, Harpy matches and even exceeds him in many ways. Well whoopty do and good for him. He's a daikaiju with measurable strength, and it just so happens that I can think of a few monsters - Harpy among them - that would rip him apart up close. |
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Post by Monster Master on Aug 31, 2007 16:39:52 GMT -5
Yeah, I'm pretty damn sure it is.
No she doesn't. He's faced Darklore who knew how to use stabbing weapons just fine. Even AFTER getting his chest impaled via those spears, Argus was still able to freely fight back and kill Darklore.
Got any evidence that he can't?
Got any evidence of that also? Argus has done feats that I doubt Clint's Bagan would be capable of doing.
Can't, won't, and not going to.
You keep saying that, but have not once countered that she can't destroy an asteroid in one punch, an asteroid the size of Texas. Or be able to push back that very same asteroid before destroying it.. Using nothing but muscle.
Nobody's glorifying Argus.. He's done sh*t that Harpy can't. Rygama can't. And virtually most kaiju in this tournament can't.
You're only argument consists of 'She can because I say so!' but back it up with no evidence on what she can do
Assuming Argus didn't have God Hide that protects him from.. virtually every form of mortal attack.
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Post by Bio on Aug 31, 2007 16:51:26 GMT -5
... So why are you freakin' arguing with me?! Ry's skull is as tough as Argus' skin, and Harpy's blades literally impaled Ry's head. Logically, they'll be able to do the same to Argus.
Because vibro-blades can cut through prettymuch anything.
Because Ry would be able to take being plowed through the Earth's crust just as easily as Argus. She's cool with blunt trauma, like that.
I've already explained why Harpy's blades will affect Argus, and so far you're sticking to this stupid "Ong, he's a GOD, so mortal weapons won't hurt him!" garbage, when he's still susceptible to them, just because the blades are THAT good.
That feat is so inconsistant with the stat sheet, it's not even funny. It's also inconsistant with the sampe battle, so I'm just going to take it as one takes most uber feats in fiction and consider what Argus demonstrates in combat with less salt.
Don't put words into my mouth. I have never once referred to Harpy in the female tense. Anywhere. Those are all your words.
FORGET about the stupid god-hide, will you? It's virtually a non-factor in thie fight, simply because Harpy's one edged weapon will cleave through his flesh like a hot knife through butter.
Any other maneuvers Harpy tries will work just as well, since Argus' skin won't defend him from a well-placed, bone-crushing, organ-rupturing kick.
Oh, why am I even bothering... He's going to win whether I concede or not, just because of that one inconsistant feat of strength and that cheap god-hide, which you claim can withstand Harpy's blades, ignoring the fact that if it can withstand them, then it's impenetrable by ANYTHING, god or not.
I suppose I'll just shut up and hope Megarelia gets to the next round and Argus gets him.
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Post by Monster Master on Aug 31, 2007 17:05:32 GMT -5
Uhh.. I think something got lost in the translation..
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Pretty much anything is not everything, now is it? The same Argus' armor is not included in pretty much anything.
Uh-Oh. I smell an inconsistency. You just said Harpy cut her wings and head up, but yet, taking a ride like that would do much, much worse to a creature like Rygama.
Argus..
Survived a fall from above orbit.
Was pushed from the surface of the Earth to the center directly afterward.
Was impaled by Darklore's spear.
And all of them didn't so much make Argus stop or slow. What makes you even think Harpy's weapons, assuming they manage to slice into Argus, will have any different affect than Darklore's?
Blame IR. He's the one who made me tone Argus down for the Arena.
Inferno Rodan [6:13 P.M.]: Yeah... that'd be just a smidge unfair if Argus was capable of using his Destroy-a-Texas-sized-meteor-with-one-punch Earthquake Punch...
Oh. I'm sorry.
It.
The same way Necro Blades wielded by demons did right.. Oh.. wait..
So now Harpy can put more force in a single hit than a fall from MILES above the atmosphere to the ground... Riiiiight.
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Post by Bio on Aug 31, 2007 17:13:01 GMT -5
I smell straw. Someone holding a hayride?
Ok, two things.
1. Blunt trauma is not the same as edged trauma.
2. THEY'RE THAT EFFECTIVE!!!
So did Rygama, in her story's first draft. Landed on her face too. Granted, it WAS the first draft, but the monster wasn't at all changed between the two.
Uh, Gamera's been impaled and kept on going before.
And just so we're clear, Harpy was, at one point, swatted away by Rygama, directly into a mountainside with little damage.
Maybe we're not communicating very well. Harpy is tough. Harpy went up against Rygama - a creature similar to Argus - and nearly killed her.
Different weapons entirely.
YES!
And don't ignore this, as you clearly are, but a kick and a fall with comparible forces are not even remotely similar. The kick is much sharper, buch more concentrated, much deadlier than the fall.
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Post by Monster Master on Aug 31, 2007 17:24:40 GMT -5
Yet you continue to fail at giving me a reason as to why they're that effective. Cutting up Rygama is one thing. Making a gash to Argus is on a complete different scale.
That's still not canon, and for all I know, you're making it up.
Argus /=/ Rygama
Rygama is MUCH more on the scale of Scorpadon, a kaiju Argus could snap in two.
True, but Necro Blades do much more damage than any mortal weaponry. The entire, you know.. decay aspect makes them better than any hand-held weapon.
Argus didn't decay.
... Uh-Huh. So why isn't this uber-kick-of-death listed in her powers?
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Post by Bio on Aug 31, 2007 17:32:52 GMT -5
No, it's about the same. The blades are his PRIMARY weapon, meaning they WORK.
And I've given you a VERY good reason. I described Rygama's abilities, particularly those of her skull, as well as her blunt resistance, then noted that Harpy cleaved right through her skull.
It's not listed in his powers because it's not a power. It's a natural physical ability that you shouldn't NEED to read about specifically, because any bozo should know that a humanoid deathmachine can kick.
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Post by Monster Master on Aug 31, 2007 17:39:32 GMT -5
Ah.
So since Showa Godzilla's primary weapon is his atomic ray.. It should be able to reduce Harpy to a pile of ash? Wow, that's pretty sad.
No you haven't. Thus far, you've gone from all of Rygama's body matching Argus', then to just her head. Relying on the basic 'I say so!' argument, then going so far to say something that has never even happened in your stories, you yourself saying so.
That's still a power, a power as much as Argus' Bone Crusher.
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Post by Inferno Rodan on Aug 31, 2007 20:36:38 GMT -5
Ugh...
Bio, it's BLATANTLY obvious that you've never even attempted to read any of MM's stories. Argus would break Harpy, along with nearly any other kaiju in this tournament, in two over his knee.
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Post by Bio on Aug 31, 2007 20:48:36 GMT -5
Except the bio contradicts his story feats. Now which to go by? The story or the bio? Since this is the Arena, I'm going with the arena bio.
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Post by Monster Master on Aug 31, 2007 20:53:04 GMT -5
Except the bio contradicts his story feats. Now which to go by? The story or the bio? Since this is the Arena, I'm going with the arena bio. No it doesn't. Argus' Earthquake Punch creates earthquakes. Earthquakes form fissures and splits in the crust of the Earth. That's how the asteroid was destroyed. Bio says Argus' hide is harder and more solid than any material found in this galaxy. The story treats that exactly the same. The ONLY time it was displayed otherwise when fighting Darklore the God Slayer whom is designed to kill Gods by Hades himself. |
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Post by HyperGFreak on Sept 1, 2007 0:04:39 GMT -5
...bleh...if the Harpy is "lanky," and Argus decapitated Demortis and Milenko with his bare hands, he ain't gonna have trouble doing that all over again...
...of course, from what I read of the argument, I think Argus is gonna set up a whole lotta one-sided matches. >_> Eh. Anyway, the blades, with strength behind them, are going to hurt him, but this dirty son of a gun took MM's Orochi single-handedly. Not good for the Harpy. Regeneration isn't much a factor, either, seeing what's gonna happen if and when Argus connects...either way, Harpy's going to last quite a long time. Particularly when those hemotoxins get in, because if Argus's limbs start swelling, he ain't going to have fun attacking. But, if the God lands a hit...well, in either case, he gets my vote.
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Post by Omegarex24 on Sept 2, 2007 13:17:24 GMT -5
Well, I've withheld my vote for awhile, so, after soem consideration, I'm voting for Argus.
Harpy is fast, Harpy is strong, and Harpy can leapfrog all over the place all he wants. He does, however, lack the insane durability of Argus. Even with regenerative functions, a good solid whack or two could send Hapry reeling and give Argus enough time to pound him like one tenderizes a steak. That is to say, brutally and violently. Those claws will do soem damage to Argus, but I don't think Harpy can put him down before Argus does the same ot him.
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