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Post by Monster Master on Aug 31, 2007 14:54:44 GMT -5
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Post by Bio on Aug 31, 2007 14:58:53 GMT -5
Ignoring the link error for Argus, I'm gonna give this one to the Harpy. I honestly can't see your reasonaing behind Harpy being unable to do anything to Argus, when not only is the machine stronger and more agile than Argus, but seems pretty well adapted for countering his bull-esque fighting style. I can see Harpy leaping up and out of the way of a direct charge, landing on Argus' back and stabbing him the neck.
Even in a close quarters brawl, Harpy is stronger and better armed than Argus.
Really, this is my definition of an upset, seeing as how this is prettymuch the best foe Harpy could possibly be facing.
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Post by Monster Master on Aug 31, 2007 15:01:13 GMT -5
Ignoring the link error for Argus, I'm gonna give this one to the Harpy. I honestly can't see your reasonaing behind Harpy being unable to do anything to Argus, when not only is the machine stronger and more agile than Argus, but seems pretty well adapted for countering his bull-esque fighting style. I can see Harpy leaping up and out of the way of a direct charge, landing on Argus' back and stabbing him the neck. Even in a close quarters brawl, Harpy is stronger and better armed than Argus. Really, this is my definition of an upset, seeing as how this is prettymuch the best foe Harpy could possibly be facing. Argus destroyed an asteroid the size of Texas in one single shot for one thing.. |
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Post by Bio on Aug 31, 2007 15:05:04 GMT -5
Problem is, he needs to be able to build up his power and momentum in a charge. Harpy leaps and bounds all over the place with exceptional skill, and has a habit of jumping onto his opponents' backs. That's not good for Argus's fighting style.
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Post by Monster Master on Aug 31, 2007 15:10:42 GMT -5
Problem is, he needs to be able to build up his power and momentum in a charge No he doesn't. Even an Earthquake Punch, not even 1/10th the strength used on the Asteroid, would splatter Harpy over the landscape. Argus doesn't waist his time with dodging or blocking. He doesn't need to. His hide was capable of being plowed through miles upon miles of Earth when the Gods imprisoned him. The only thing that has ever pierced his hide was Darklore, and that's because he is, of course, a God Slayer. Argus isn't an idiot. He didn't do that with Darklore because he had virtually the same type of spears. EVEN assuming Argus did, the chances of it stabbing Argus before it shatters is more than the former. |
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Post by Bio on Aug 31, 2007 15:18:39 GMT -5
Assuming it hit. And Harpy isn't the kind to let that happen.
We're talking a creature that countered a sneak attack from Megaguirus. You know, a supersonic sneak attack.
The rule of thumb for my monsters is quite simple. If it uses a massive edged appendage as a weapon, that weapon will affect any imaginable form of armor, no matter how thick. Harpy's blades aren't as dense as Rygama's claws, but they're designed to punch through pretty much any material. They'll get through. They DID manage to cleave one of her wings right off.
I'm referring to the Harpy.
And the chances of Harpy stabbing Argus before he shatters it are phenominal. Harpy doesn't waste time, he'll land on him, stab him in the neck, then hop off.
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Post by Monster Master on Aug 31, 2007 15:29:15 GMT -5
Earthquake Punch doesn't even need to come into play here. Witch ever gets in close, it doesn't matter. Without even enhancing his strength, Argus was able to pop the heads off of both Milenko and Demortis like they were nothing more than dandelions. Not with a bunch either, or a kick. Simply grabbing their throats and squeezing.
Good for it.
Argus' skin isn't armor. It's not Ankylosaurus armor. It's not MechaGodzilla armor. It's hide. God hide.
It'll be like trying to cut a mountain apart with a butter knife. May make some scratches, but nothing more before Argus grabs it and rips it apart, beats it to death, or smashes it into oblivion.
No they won't. We're talking a beast that had been PLOWED from the crust of the Earth (all God knows how many miles of solid rock) to the Earth's core without receiving so much as a scratch.
Not to mention Argus' insane reflexes and strength, witch by all means, he'll easily be able to catch the blade if he wants to.
She can TRY and stab, it won't work. Argus' hide is stronger, as it says in his bio, than anything found in this galaxy, or any other.
Harpy can not break his skin with mortal means.
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Post by Bio on Aug 31, 2007 15:37:32 GMT -5
Rygama could've done the same, and yet the Harpy managed to nearly overcome her in their first bout. Without the toxin injectors.
I'm going to point out, again, that the Harpy is stronger than Argus.
Tough skin = armor.
And if Argus grabs Harpy, Harpy simply grabs back and reinacts the climactic Guyver vs Volkner scene. This consists of breaking his enemie's hands, stabbing them repeatedly and generally smashing them around.
You keep bringing up the same traits of Argus that are found both in Harpy and in Rygama - who I stress, Harpy nearly killed.
And Harpy's blades will STILL get through it, because that's what they're designed to do.
Harpy's not 'mortal', by any means. It's a mecha with illogically monstrous brute strength.
This battle is essentially a rehash of one of various Guyver/Zoanoid battles, save a bit longer. The same traits are all here.
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Post by Monster Master on Aug 31, 2007 15:47:32 GMT -5
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No she's not. Before destroying the asteroid, Argus pushed it back! All billions-of-tons of it. Didn't last long, but he still managed to slow it down before using the Earthquake Punch.
Neither Harpy or Rygama would be able to do such a feat.
... Now you're just in denial.
... There is no possible way Rygama could have stopped the asteroid in one shot or hold it back. She also couldn't take on Orochi, a beast that is over ten-miles in length, and win with not any damage.
Argus > Rygama
You can not just classify everything into armor. There's MANY different forms, some weaker than others. Example:
A shot gun can wound a person wearing a bullet proof vest
A shot gun won't even affect a person wearing a full body suit of tank armor.
But I'm just going to use your process now..
Argus hide is built to withstand all forms of damage. Sharp. Blunt. Anything. It'd take DECADES to build up the force to break it, especially with mortal weapons.
God Hide > Mortal Weapons
It was still built by mortals, making it a mortal weapon. Darklore's mace would be considered an immortal weapon, and likewise, only an immortal like Argus would be able to do what he did to it.
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Post by Bio on Aug 31, 2007 15:52:04 GMT -5
Sooooo.... what you're saying is, you've created a monster that is completely impervious to all forms of attack, save those of other gods....
I'm done.
Well, no, there is one last thing.
Harpy is perfectly capable of delivering punches and kicks, and since we've got a well-trained soldier in the cockpit. So armor or not, Argus is susceptible to internal damage and organ rupturing, and considering Argus' stat sheet DOES tell us that his strength is approximately one sixth of Harpy's, there's that.
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Post by Monster Master on Aug 31, 2007 15:56:52 GMT -5
Sooooo.... what you're saying is, you've created a monster that is completely impervious to all forms of attack, save those of other gods.... I'm done. Thought I got that pretty well cleared out in DA. Other attacks can still affect him, and damage him, but it's not gonna' work as well as a God's weapon. Why? Because God weapons are better than Mortal weapons. That's the simple fact. Example: Giga's bite might be able to do some damage, but not nearly as much as he's done in the passed, pretty much thanks to Argus' hide. He's a God. |
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Post by Bio on Aug 31, 2007 16:00:00 GMT -5
Oh, so mortal weapons DO have a noticeable effect on him.
In which case, Harpy's blades will carve him up like a thanksgiving turkey, since their overall effectiveness is at least equal to Gojulas Giga's.
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Post by †KaneLocke† on Aug 31, 2007 16:02:04 GMT -5
... Harpy's weapons are mortal weapons. Strong or not, they ain't gonna do nearly enough damage to Argus before he gets ahold of it and crushes it like an empty beer can.
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Post by Monster Master on Aug 31, 2007 16:03:24 GMT -5
Yeah.. Never said they didn't. Just not gonna' be very affective.
Good for her weapons, but not once did I say they'd be able to take Argus down. He'll have landed in a kill shot long before she makes another cut, assuming she's able to manage that.
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Post by Bio on Aug 31, 2007 16:07:01 GMT -5
Uh, yeah they are. Know why? Because they're GOOD mortal weapons. They drove through Ry's armor plated skull like nothing, severed her bicep and momentarily destroyed the connective tissue between her jaws with a grazing blow. They are freaking NASTY! Argus is strong, but he's not very well adapted for this kind of enemy. Am I gonna have to point out that it'll take a LOT of hits to bring Harpy down? It's not some frail little toy, it's the Guyver of daikaiju. It's strong, it's tough, and its weapons can and will carve Argus apart. I'd put money on one of Harpy's kicks rupturing an organ and killing Argus long before Argus manages to do any critical damage to him. Argus may be strong, but it's largely a blunt kind of strong. Without any means of immediately dismembering Harpy, short of tearing him apart - which is an easily escapeable maneuver for the machine - Argus can't land that 'kill shot' you depend so strongly on, without considerable effort. Harpy, on the other hand, not only has physical strength rivalling Argus', but also weapons which can and will kill him with a single well-aimed stab. Btw: www.youtube.com/watch?v=MEORVeM4D18&mode=related&search=Pretty good transcript of how this fight will go. |
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