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Post by Inferno Rodan on Aug 11, 2008 2:08:25 GMT -5
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Post by Monster Master on Aug 11, 2008 2:36:31 GMT -5
Rosie.
Inferno Rodan's beam is going to be negated entirely by Rosie's stamina and high pain resistance. The other two attacks, the bladed wings and Phoenix Fire, both require him to get up close. Rosie's fur may get burnt and his hands cut a bit...
But once Rosie grabs IR, it's over. Then and there. There's no way IR has what it takes to engage Rosie up close, and its two attacks that he'll eventually pull out are gonna' put him right into Rosie.
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Post by Inferno Rodan on Aug 11, 2008 12:35:09 GMT -5
Thanks for proving you didn't even look at IR's demo battle, MM. Do so before even attempting to debate this.
Rosie won't even be able to touch Inferno Rodan. Insane pain resistance or no, you can't move an appendage if it's been severed from your body. His beam will burn Rosie's flesh to a crisp. God forbid IR decides to use his Phoenix Fire, though I don't see it coming to that point.
Inferno Rodan.
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Post by Monster Master on Aug 11, 2008 14:17:30 GMT -5
And you can't sever a body part if Rosie catches the wing and rips it off.
.... Legion's EM Beam and Destoroyah Oxygen Destroyer beam had little to no effect on Rosie. IR's beam, as I said, may burn him, but it's not going to hinder him in the least.
Which is only 4x the strength of Moggy's missiles. What do you think Legion's blast is? And Rosie was hit dead on by that... and what happened... Oh... that's right... Nothing.
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Post by Azure_Ghidorah on Aug 11, 2008 15:30:55 GMT -5
Inferno Rodan
Alright, changed the vote because IR has brought up some rather tide changing points, that I previously missed, mostly on not being all that big on physics myself, that would put this more in Inferno Rodan's favor then Rosie's.
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Post by Inferno Rodan on Aug 11, 2008 15:53:27 GMT -5
Guys... read the demo battle. He doesn't have to be anywhere near Rosie for the Phoenix Fire to work. And his Inferno Beam not only killed Desghidorah, but incinerated a large portion of his body with a single prolonged shot.
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Post by Monster Master on Aug 11, 2008 15:58:35 GMT -5
Guys... read the demo battle. He doesn't have to be anywhere near Rosie for the Phoenix Fire to work. And his Inferno Beam not only killed Desghidorah, but incinerated a large portion of his body with a single prolonged shot. That's nice. But your stat says the strength of G2K's beam.
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Post by Inferno Rodan on Aug 11, 2008 18:23:25 GMT -5
That's nice. But your stat says the strength of G2K's beam. Yeah, for the purposes of Arena battles. Scorpius' acid can't melt faces off and his venom can't kill with a single injection in Arena battles, either, but I don't see you disputing that in the FMs. Demo battles take precidence over stats in FMs simply because demo battles aren't restricted by Arena rules.
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Post by Monster Master on Aug 11, 2008 18:57:07 GMT -5
That's nice. But your stat says the strength of G2K's beam. Yeah, for the purposes of Arena battles. Scorpius' acid can't melt faces off and his venom can't kill with a single injection in Arena battles, either, but I don't see you disputing that in the FMs. Demo battles take precidence over stats in FMs simply because demo battles aren't restricted by Arena rules. That's fine. But aren't you the one who always says stats > what happens? Everyone else lists the full extents of the powers in their stats, along with how much they've been toned down. And even then, we covered this over AIM. Any of IR's attacks aren't going to be enough to bring Rosie down.
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Post by Omegarex24 on Aug 12, 2008 7:35:36 GMT -5
You, know, if IR plays this smart, he simply flys around the battlefield and beam spams Rosie to death. It'll be a long, slow process, but it can be done. But, from what the demo battle seems to suggest, IR does like to do flybys, which is his inherent weakness in this fight.
Sure, a super-sonic flyby might be able to cause Rosie to lose a limb. However, Rosie's not going to stop from that, and there's still a good chance that Rosie grabs him from the air and crushes him on the first pass.
Personally, I'm going to abstain. It all comes down to how much IR changes tactics based on Rosie's abilities and whether or not a one-armed walrus can snag IR out of the sky on the first pass.
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Post by Inferno Rodan on Aug 12, 2008 11:29:08 GMT -5
That's fine. But aren't you the one who always says stats > what happens? You’d have a point if the situation was the same as when dealing with Toho stats and movies. But it’s not. This is more like comparing video game stats to movies. Sub-Zero from the MK games is only able to encase his opponents in ice momentarily. Sub-Zero from the movies is able to freeze opponents solid. I seem to recall you having Gigan's Sonic Cannon blow chunks off of other kaiju in his demo. Funny how Heisei Godzilla's beam, which your stats say it's comparable to, never did that. Attacks that can turn Desghidorah into a burnt-out husk, can turn SMG into a pile of slag in mere seconds, and can turn glass molten instantaneously... not being enough to bring Rosie down? Yeah... I'm not seeing how. Rosie shrugged off a hit from Legion's EM blast. That's nice. I'm sure Desghidorah and SMG could come out with similar damage from that as Rosie. And I just want to emphasize the instantly turning sand into molten glass thing again. Quartz has a melting point of 3000 degrees. The hottest lava is 2200 degrees. Rosie survived a head shot from Sally. Again, that's nice. Sally's bullets are, what, the size of a large car or a tank? So 80 tons would be a reasonable upwards estimate of their weight. Firing speed of a sniper rifle is about mach 3. Inferno Rodan is 200 times heavier and travels 1500 mph faster than Sally’s bullets. Now, I know you’re not big on physics, but I’m sure even you can understand that IR is going to hit a LOT harder than a shot from Sally. And saying Rosie is going to catch IR during a flyby is laughable. Mach 5, people. That’s one mile per second. If Rosie can't catch a bullet, he's not gonna grab IR.
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Post by Monster Master on Aug 12, 2008 12:58:58 GMT -5
No, not really, 'cause your stats contradict your battle. The Sub-Zero in the game and in the movie are both different. The Inferno Rodan in your stat and the battle are the same.
It didn't? I must have imagined the scene where it blows Ghidorah's head off.
Then you're blind or just biased.
And now this is where it becomes a Legion debate. The EM Blast was enough to make craters in the ground that would be enough for a kaiju to f'n stand in. It didn't even hurt Rosie.
Well, considering DesGhids just got vape'd by a beam no greater than G2K's, I highly doubt that. And Heisei MG... surving a blast from the EM Beam. LOL.
Yeah, the only problem here is... Rosie likes to catch things, and he will catch IR, and he will rip him to pieces.
Glad you paid attention: Sally hit him from the side of the head when he was distracted.
And I also want to say that again: Rosie surviving getting hit in the head by a kaiju-sized sniper rifle and the worst he got was a gash. The bullet wasn't even able to penetrate all of the skin on his head to reach his skull. If the skin on Rosie's head managed to do that, I question the logic in thinking cuts will do anything.
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Post by Inferno Rodan on Aug 12, 2008 22:33:18 GMT -5
It didn't? I must have imagined the scene where it blows Ghidorah's head off. Yeah, right after said neck just got raped by a point-blank Nuclear Pulse. Oh, there's no debating the power of Legion's EM blast. 'Course, there's also the part where Des' beam makes Rosie's skin steam. IR's beam makes Des' beam look like ice cream in terms of heat. I again point out the fact that IR's beam instantaneously brought the temperature of sand to over 3000 degrees. That means the beam itself is far hotter. Well, considering Desghids took a blast that was easily as strong as Legion's EM Blast in the form of Mothra Leo's Sun Strike Buster, and IR's beam ate through him like nothing, I don't doubt that. The hell is he going to catch something that can pass by him before he even knows its there? And even assuming he does somehow manage to react in time, what's he gonna grab at? IR's wings? Yeah, he'd lose his hands if he tried that. Never said otherwise. My point was, can Rosie catch a bullet? 'Cause if he can't, there's no way he's going to catch something that not only travels 1500 mph faster than a bullet, but is also capable of making very abrupt turns at those speeds. And yet Legion had no problem stabbing into Rosie's shoulders with her legs and "quickly growing [ sic] fountains of blood" (<direct quote). I smell both contradiction and hypocrisy. But that's okay MM, I can play the "only pay attention to the stats" game too. Rosie's stats make absolutely NO mention of him having tough skin at all. So therefore he doesn't, and IR can slice and dice him or burn him to a crisp with no problem at all. Rosie's stats also don't say anything about him having exceptional speed or reaction times, so there won't be any catching IR during a 3850 mph flyby either. Rosie's stats ALSO state that he lacks fingers, instead just having big-ass claws on his hands, so I question his ability to grab anything in the first place.
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Post by Monster Master on Aug 13, 2008 0:59:08 GMT -5
'K. It was also blowing holes in KG's wings. Blew chunks off Biollante. Blew the back of Bio's head off. Blew holes in MKG's wings, and if you wanna' get technical in strength of the atomic beam compared to Meltdown's normal beam, was damaging Dessy-T something fierce,
That's pretty much the same strength of Gigan's Sonic Cannons, so I don't see where you were going.
Don't think the Sonic Cannons would have done much to SG and MG though. He's not a distance fighter.
You are aware of what the Oxygen Destroyer beam is, yes? It dissolves stuff. The only reason it didn't Goji is because of his regeneration. Rosie lacks that. Of course the area struck is going to steam: his flesh was being dissolved by it.
Not according to your stats.
Uh. No he wouldn't. I once again bring up the fact a kaiju-sized bullet wasn't able to break through all the skin on his head. You think some razor wings will take off a limb or an appendage?
And is also... What...? 50x the size of Sally's bullet? Bullet is about the size of a tank... Yeah, 50 seems right. Give or take a few.
You don't think Rosie is going to see him coming and won't ready himself?
Yeah... An impaling weapon works much different than a slicing weapon. If Legion would have tried slicing Rosie with them, they'd barely done shit, if any shit at all.
Why should they? It's not a power nor is it an attack. His skin isn't even in the same league as that of my Godzilla's, Blaradon's, Stagthorn's, and Argus'. The real thing that should be in there is pain resistance, and even then, his isn't that great compared to Godzilla's. Rosie still feel pain, the only problem here is he is capable of ignoring it to great lengths. Godzilla virtually feels nothing, he can keep on trucking until his head is either removed or he dies of blood loss.
Ok then. They also don't say he's mortal, so that makes him immortal. XD
Now you're just stretching for it.
You can still grab stuff with claws. Work much like it would with chop sticks.
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Post by Inferno Rodan on Aug 13, 2008 10:30:34 GMT -5
You are aware of what the Oxygen Destroyer beam is, yes? It dissolves stuff. The only reason it didn't Goji is because of his regeneration. Rosie lacks that. Of course the area struck is going to steam: his flesh was being dissolved by it. One problem: Des' beam doesn't dissolve stuff. It's just a beam composed of unknown energy. Nothing more, nothing less. To use a slightly modified qoute from The Mist, "are you being willfully dense?" I already gave you the numbers. Twice, in fact. But maybe the third time will be the charm and it'll actually sink in... Sally bullet: 80 tons Mach 3 (2310 mph) Inferno Rodan: 16,000 tons Mach 5 (3850 mph) *200x the size of Sally's bullet. And 1500 mph faster. And with the ability to make abrupt turns at top speed. So you're saying Legion's legs pack more penetration power than a bullet from Sally? LOLIf his skin is tough enough to stop a kaiju-sized bullet, it sure as hell is a power. Just like Scorpius' and Giga's armor are listed in their powers.
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