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Post by Azure_Ghidorah on Sept 1, 2007 21:04:02 GMT -5
Assuming he can turn fast enough before Perfect Chaos gets a few pot shots off and teleports again...
That was the better situation. What's to stop him from wrapping a few tendrils in a muzzle like fashion before he can fire as he's bringing him down? Or bring him back to Earth before he gets the chance? While the latter is highly unlikely, given KG's reflexes, the former is more plausible.
He usually only stays in that form, what, two or three seconds? Not enough to make it matter, since Perfect Chaos hates stalling.
Though, it'll be harder for my situation to play through if KG's going to beam spam. Plausible still, but not as much, and Perfect Chaos is likely going to take more damage in that case.
Not mention said situations mostly provide a way out of those weapons.
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Post by THE GODZILLA on Sept 1, 2007 21:10:10 GMT -5
He's going to hit him eventually.
Forget about King Ghidorah's Chaos Bolts did we? Those will definitely cause damage to Perfect Chaos.
You said he plays dead. To trick something that you're dead, you're going to need to sit there for more than 2-3 seconds. In which case, it's pointless, since as soon as he begins to reform King Ghidorah will fire away.
Again, you forgot King Ghidorah's Chaos Bolts. If he doesn't use that, he's gonna use Ruin.
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Post by Azure_Ghidorah on Sept 1, 2007 21:56:06 GMT -5
Unintentionally, Armor Mothra didn't celebrate for long before Chaos got back up. I'd put the span between the two incidents at around the same time I gave.
I most certainly have not forgotten. He only used those once in the sample battle against opponents who could do nothing about it. True, I've said some things that weren't demonstrated in sample battle, but they are more plausible, but if KG only uses them against opponents who can't fight back, what's to make me believe he's going to use that against a foe who is still very well alive and kicking?
And Ruin is only going to work assuming he hasn't hit Perfect Chaos before with it. If he has, Chaos will teleport away from the danger zone because he'll notice the actions directly preceeding it, unless you got the idea that Chaos was stupid, which will allow KG to get back into the air, but not for long.
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Post by Omegarex24 on Sept 2, 2007 13:10:02 GMT -5
Sorry TG, but I'm gonna have to side with PC. KG is a bad mofo, but with the massive size, weight, and strength advantages, even scaled, that PC has over KG is ridiculous. Those Gravity and Chaos Bolts are powerful, but I don't think they can do the damage needed to kill him before Chaos just warps behind KG and sucks the life out of him.
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Post by THE GODZILLA on Sept 2, 2007 20:47:35 GMT -5
Wait wait wait, you're saying that PC is gonna do stuff he didn't do in his demonstration battle, but King Ghidorah isn't going to use an attack at his disposal? That's bullshit.
If he gets in the air, PC is gonna have a hard time catching him.
And King Ghidorah will turn around and blast PC.
Casting my vote for King Ghidorah. He's got the power to take out the brain before PC can kill him.
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Post by Azure_Ghidorah on Sept 2, 2007 21:10:40 GMT -5
I would have agreed with you... Had Mothra and Baragon were still able to fight back when King Ghidorah used his Chaos Bolts in the demonstration. Add that to the fact that was the only time he was shown using them gives me the vibe that KG only uses them when he's one hundred percent positive that the enemy cannot dodge. Had the Chaos Bolts been used again against a foe that could still defend his/herself, I would think differently. So, no, what I said is not a bunch of bull manure. (Sorry, I'm against swearing when I'm not controlling one of my Kaiju.)
Everything Chaos did was shown at least twice if the first time was used against a foe who couldn't defend itself. At least what I'm saying still has possibilties because Chaos was shown to use his abilities regardless of his enemy's condition. That is not the case with King Ghidorah's Chaos Bolts unless you can cite the chapter of the fan fiction this monster appears in (assuming he does appear in one) using the Chaos Bolts against a foe that could still defend itself, not a critically crippled moth and a dead wanna-be-a-dog mutated dinosaur.
Care to say how KG's going to do that if he doesn't know Chaos is behind him?
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Post by THE GODZILLA on Sept 2, 2007 22:00:30 GMT -5
WOW! You really think that an attack that was used to kill a monster is only going to be used to kill a monster? That is f*cking ridiculous.
I used it to kill the damned monsters. Ok? Does that make it a finishing move? Read the damned description of the attack. Do you see "finisher" labelled in it? NO. HE'S GOING TO USE THE DAMN ATTACK IN THE BATTLE.
If he sees a big ass shadow looming over him, happens to hear the blob of water, or gets hit by an attack, he's going to know that PC is right behind him.
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Post by Azure_Ghidorah on Sept 2, 2007 22:35:29 GMT -5
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Why am I even continuing to debate with you since you have already casted your vote and it is mostly out of our hands? Don't answer that.
I'm not even going to address the specifics in your post since you deemed it neccesary to yell at me. I know it doesn't say 'finisher' in the description, but it gets 'fishy' (pardon the horrible pun if you notice it) when an attack is shown against foes who can't defend themselves. It may not say finisher, but what I saw was that is was not strong enough to label it as finisher only, meaning you could freely use it in Arena battles. Going by the sample battle, for all I knew, it could have well been a finisher only attack because thats how you show KG fighting. You, however, being the creator of King Ghidorah, could have at least shown him using it again on anything that could fight back.
It's not my fault if I go by the sample battle you wrote and assume that King Ghidorah won't use Chaos Bolts unless that condition accours because that is what is shown in the sample battle. If I were to humor you and play your way, I could very well say Perfect Chaos is heavily resistant (not immune) to the Chaos Bolts effects considering the unstated possiblities of it being made from something similar to Chaos Magic, which is the only thing PC uses in Chaos Surge. In Chaos Surge's description, it says that PC is immune to attepts of turning the attack back on him. If that's true for something that is made solely out of Chaos Magic, anything even partially based on that should be at least partially resisted.
The Chaos Bolts show nothing to prove or disprove that it is made from something similar to Chaos Magic, so I assumed it wasn't and that King Ghidorah would be able to deal full damage with it. By the way, that's just like I assumed it was a finisher attack because the evidence points me in that direction even though it is not stated in the description. Going by common sense and the evidence provided, the Chaos Bolts could very well be a finisher attack for all I know. What is there to show me that that is not the case? Your words? For all I know, you just added that on to give yourself another chance at continuing in the tournament, but even though I doubt you would be despretate enough to do that, it still remains that you have no proof to show the Chaos Bolts aren't a finishing attack only.
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And I'm just going to pretend I didn't leave myself open to the second reply. (Note to self: Be more specific next time)
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Post by THE GODZILLA on Sept 3, 2007 13:10:27 GMT -5
I will. You know why? Because we're not the only ones who are voting in this. Of course, you probably were the one who put in that first vote for PC WITHOUT me even coming in to defend my monster, so you have no right to complain about "you already cast your vote, no reason to continue on...".
I showed King Ghidorah using his attack to kill something. You're the one saying "PC will keep teleporting behind King Ghidorah". He did it ONCE in his battle. I let that go, because quite frankly, I don't care. But then you go and complain about me using a power only once to kill a foe, and claim that's all it is used for? Ok, in that case, PC isn't going to be teleporting constantly behind KG.
Just because something has Chaos in its name, doesn't mean its "Chaos Magic". I'm sorry if a name that was meant for coolness factor has you confused.
And you have no proof that PC is going to be constantly teleporting behind me, when he did it ONCE.
And you saying PC is going to be teleporting behind me (when done once) is just as descriptive as me saying that Chaos Bolts aren't finishers. Please, don't go telling me that I'm not descriptive enough when you yourself failed to show PC teleport behind his foe more than once.
Infact, the Corona Beam, which has a homing ability like the Mega Gravity Bolts, hit PC on its first shot. PC didn't even teleport behind SG to get the blasts to hit SG instead. He merely pressed on his attack.
So please, the next time you go saying "You can't do that, it's not in the Demonstration Battle", look at your own one too. You may be surprised.
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Post by Azure_Ghidorah on Sept 3, 2007 14:50:43 GMT -5
Except for the fact that PC didn't know it had a homing ability when he avoided it. Besides, it's not technically a homing ability, its SG manipulating the beam. For all someone else knows, Space Godzilla could have pivoted the beam to strike Chaos in the back, where he wouldn't see it coming because he would think that SG had missed.
*rubs forhead* This is why I hate debating things, far too many variables to consider this time around. *shrugs* Honestly, I'm fine with just getting to the second round and getting knocked out. If I get knocked out in the first round, I know I'm just not ment to debate this kind of stuff.
Ok, I'll admit, I might have been more vague then you have, so I'll just let this go. I feel I've put as much effort as I can into showing that my monster will win. If I lose, I know it was either not enough or that PC was infact not strong enough. Maybe I shouldn't have signed up...
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Post by THE GODZILLA on Sept 3, 2007 16:06:08 GMT -5
Or it remains tied and we both advance...
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